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Right now I am reading all 3 of Lex's books to get me geared up for starting. I am currently on Moving Day and plan to read them in order. I have to admit that I wanted to start reading Perfectly Frank first, but will read in the order that they were written. Well, I think it works better in numerical order, but I tried to write them so that each one would make sense on its own, too! Actually, Frank is in "Moving Day," but doesn't play a huge role. The last story in "Moving Parts," called "Lest We Forget," does more or less lead into "Perfectly Frank," so there is some continuity there, although I provided a bit of a synopsis in "Frank" about what had gone before! |
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To give you an idea of how I handle this sort of thing, here's a snip from the next book. A girl named Lyndsey has discovered a new color, which no one else can see. She takes the piece of newspaper with the new color on it to school with her, shows it around, hoping someone else will be able to see it....the newspaper has four colored blotches, spilled paints, on it -- one orange, one gray, one blue, and the new color, which everyone else only sees as white.... ********** Finally, she goes to the art teacher, a rotund, snowmanlike fellow named Mr. Chastain. (He is often drawn, by his students, with a carrot for a nose, and an old stovepipe hat.) Mr. Chastain looks approvingly at the newspaper, holds it up in front of himself at different angles, making “mmmmmm” noises as he does so. “Modern art,” he finally says, favoring Lyndsey with a brief grin. “It is made of nothing and everything, yet people tend to pooh-pooh it whenever they see it. Warhol could have told you that, he understood. A Brillo box. It is art, too, because it represents an aesthetic – a failed aesthetic, perhaps, but then a successful aesthetic generally ceases to be any kind of aesthetic at all.” Lyndsey has no idea what the man is talking about. She suspects that, perhaps, he doesn’t either. “A successful aesthetic – do you know what that becomes, Lyndsey? A trend, a tradition, a timeless and tedious inertia. It’s why we have two political parties, really. If you think about it. The common man has no stomach for subtlety, let alone choice, in any real sense of the word. The shame – the real and true crying shame – is that no one cares anymore. Art is art is art, no? No. It’s product, it’s a sellout. Self-sellout, really, because art is art is art is money now. Take out some of the extraneous arts, and art is money. Why? Because it represents the people who create it, and those people are all obsessed with money.” She wants to interrupt him, but she is stumped as to how or when to make the attempt. “Creativity has been put into a box, and then the box has been nailed shut. And buried. At sea, or maybe in space. Our creativity nowadays is like a gun with no bullets. You can hold it in your hand and threaten people, but it has no bite. There’s no ammo. All that’s left is a hand holding a gun, and a few memories of loud bangs.” “Mr. Chastain, I wanted to ask you a question about this newspaper.” “Hmmmmmm? Oh, yes, of course. I notice you have placed some colors onto a few small areas of the page. It strikes me as an indictment of the world at large. News is product no less than art is product. You combine the two, in a minimalist setting – small dots of color intruding on small bits of news. Reductio ad absurdum. At what point does the relevance, the meaning, the clarity, the direction, disappear altogether? Is this an extra credit project? I’ll tell you what, it shows an interesting perspective on art. The contrast, the colored spots on the black and white newsprint, this is a dichotomy. I like it. It’s good. It’s not MOMA good, but it’s good. I’ll give you a B+. How’s that?” Lyndsey brushes her hair out of her eyes. “That’s great, Mr. Chastain, I could really use the extra credit, but I also wanted to ask you a question about the colors.” The teacher peers at the paper again, turns it, shifts it, holds it above his head. “I like the gray the best, to be honest. It has a sort of solid nobility to it. I could see wearing a suit that color, if I wanted to blend in somewhere and not be noticed. It’s a soothing color. The blue is a bit infantile for my tastes, and the orange is a bit too gaudy. I would say tone it down, add some yellow, make it less metallic.” “And those are the only colors you see?” Chastain looks again; and, for just a fraction of a second, Lyndsey is convinced that he sees something there, something different and unusual... But no. “Newsprint, a few grainy photos, and a bad drawing of the sun up in the corner with the weather forecast. Oh, and there seems to be an empty white spot for some reason. But I don’t see any more colors.” He offers the newspaper page back to her. She takes it, and sighs. “OK, thanks, Mr. Chastain. I will think about what you said....” ....until I understand it, which will probably take another 4000 years.... ********** WOW....WOW....WOW! That is awesome! What a VISUAL! Now...I want to read your books That just "came" to you just like that? Very Inspirational...hope I can measure up to being as good as you are I will certainly give it my BEST SHOT |
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I haven't started writing my book, but know exactly what it will be and the characters involved. I have dialogue in my head and all the twists and turns that will take place. I'm still not sure about the ending though. Life always seems to get in the way. I would love it right about now if I would get laid off from my job and devote all my time to writing. I have poems and short stories that I will probably convert to a small book not looking to have it published. Just something for friends and family to remember about me. Right now I am reading all 3 of Lex's books to get me geared up for starting. I am currently on Moving Day and plan to read them in order. I have to admit that I wanted to start reading Perfectly Frank first, but will read in the order that they were written. WOW! Pam....I had no idea you liked writing! It sounds like you have a great plan...why not GO FOR IT and have it published? |
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I can only afford you one tip, which is to either
a) consider only what your characters are experiencing or b) consider only what the story teller is experiencing. It's the grey area that ****s it all up. |
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WOW....WOW....WOW! That is awesome! What a VISUAL! Now...I want to read your books That just "came" to you just like that? Very Inspirational...hope I can measure up to being as good as you are I will certainly give it my BEST SHOT Thank you! Yeah, basically it just comes to me like that. I'm always thinking in terms of visuals -- what does it all look like, where are they standing, that sort of thing. I don't elaborate on it much because the details aren't important to the reader -- he/she will imagine it in their own way, mostly sunconsciously, which is actually better because I can focus more on the plot and the characters and the dialogue. Another thing I like to do is write in present tense, which is something few writers do. Actually, I stole that from John Updike -- he used that format in his "Rabbit" series, and it struck me that it offers an almost cinematic immediacy to the action. |
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I can only afford you one tip, which is to either a) consider only what your characters are experiencing or b) consider only what the story teller is experiencing. It's the grey area that ****s it all up. Good advice. I try to put myself in the characters' heads, makes it easier. |
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LEX...Writing in the present tense is very, very difficult. But I see that you have mastered it to an ART!
I tried that, and then some...all it did was frustrate me Guess I should just relax and go with the flow |
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LEX...Writing in the present tense is very, very difficult. But I see that you have mastered it to an ART! I tried that, and then some...all it did was frustrate me Guess I should just relax and go with the flow It is a little awkward when you first start using it....! I think most people tend to "think-write" in past tense -- that's the traditional mode -- and I have occasionally found myself with conflicting tenses in the same paragraph! But it's a skill, like any other skill, and you eventually get the hang of it. Having said that, I do still write a lot of stuff in past tense. The first book is a first-person narrative in past tense (I think first-person in present tense would be extremely cumbersome, and the only way I would ever use that would be in a very very short story), but the third one is third-person present tense. |
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"Third Person, Present Tense"?
WOW!...it works well for you Everthing I've written so far is in "Third Person, Past Tense" format I'm also having problems keeping the dialog together I guess once I can get past the first book, hopefully the rest will become easier to write You have a great talent, so you must have known that your books would sell |
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I haven't started writing my book, but know exactly what it will be and the characters involved. I have dialogue in my head and all the twists and turns that will take place. I'm still not sure about the ending though. Life always seems to get in the way. I would love it right about now if I would get laid off from my job and devote all my time to writing. I have poems and short stories that I will probably convert to a small book not looking to have it published. Just something for friends and family to remember about me. Right now I am reading all 3 of Lex's books to get me geared up for starting. I am currently on Moving Day and plan to read them in order. I have to admit that I wanted to start reading Perfectly Frank first, but will read in the order that they were written. WOW! Pam....I had no idea you liked writing! I have probably posted enough on here for a poetry book, I haven't been writing as much lately. It sounds like you have a great plan...why not GO FOR IT and have it published? |
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I know that I was surprised to see that you wrote the first book in the first person. That is how I tend to write most of my stories, although everyone says you shouldn't. I think it works and I like your sense of dry humor throughout what I've read so far.
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I know that I was surprised to see that you wrote the first book in the first person. That is how I tend to write most of my stories, although everyone says you shouldn't. I think it works and I like your sense of dry humor throughout what I've read so far. It's been compared a lot to Douglas Adams' writing, which is an enormous compliment, although I don't think he ever used the first person format.....! I really don't think there's anything inherently WRONG with using first person, although I rarely do it. I prefer the third person, but not the omniscient. I like the reader to find out things right along WITH the characters. Larry, the narrator in "Moving Day," pretty much IS me, in many ways. The stuff he talks about re: his marriage, divorce, the nasty episode with the mother-in-law, all of that is actually true. Of course, I never had a house that moved. There has to be a LITTLE bit of fiction, otherwise it just ends up sounding like a bad episode of "Divorce Court"....! |
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When you get your book published; tell me the name of it and how much it costs.
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I know that I was surprised to see that you wrote the first book in the first person. That is how I tend to write most of my stories, although everyone says you shouldn't. I think it works and I like your sense of dry humor throughout what I've read so far. It's been compared a lot to Douglas Adams' writing, which is an enormous compliment, although I don't think he ever used the first person format.....! I really don't think there's anything inherently WRONG with using first person, although I rarely do it. I prefer the third person, but not the omniscient. I like the reader to find out things right along WITH the characters. Larry, the narrator in "Moving Day," pretty much IS me, in many ways. The stuff he talks about re: his marriage, divorce, the nasty episode with the mother-in-law, all of that is actually true. Of course, I never had a house that moved. There has to be a LITTLE bit of fiction, otherwise it just ends up sounding like a bad episode of "Divorce Court"....! I do remember about the Rabbit series. I read them all. I used to have a professor say I wrote like Raymond Carver, but I have never read him. I guess I didn't want to chance that I would try to copy him. It isn't any wonder you never want to get married again if the mother-in-law part was true. I am assuming that Gemini was in the Teresa character. I am at the part in the book about the dog named Duke. I have made it a running joke to not date a guy who chooses to be called a dogs name. Yes, the name of my ex-boyfriend is Duke. |
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I do remember about the Rabbit series. I read them all. I used to have a professor say I wrote like Raymond Carver, but I have never read him. I guess I didn't want to chance that I would try to copy him. Updike did a fifth Rabbit story, "Rabbit Remembered," which is included in his book "Licks of Love." Of course, Harry is dead by this time, so it's about his wife and their son, the people around them.... It isn't any wonder you never want to get married again if the mother-in-law part was true. I am assuming that Gemini was in the Teresa character. I am at the part in the book about the dog named Duke. I have made it a running joke to not date a guy who chooses to be called a dogs name. Yes, the name of my ex-boyfriend is Duke. Yeah, the Teresa character is based on my ex. Duke was an actual dog owned by my grandparents when I was a kid....they got him right around the time I was born, so in some ways, he and I grew up together.... And I understand the thing about not dating people with dogs' names -- I, for one, would think twice about dating a girl named "Puddles".... |
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Anyone attempting to write their first book, and if so, will you publish it anytime soon? I'm writing my first book e-book..it's hard work I have three going and it is really hard work. I have set them down and haven't touched them for a while now. Have not thought about ebooks though. My published work has been articles. They are shorter and more easy to submit by mail. |
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I have been a professional writer for many years, but here is a bit of advice that I have taken from an extraordinary author who has helped me to stay on task and motivated. The advice I received from Jessica Bird is a "pay it forward" kind of thing. Jess first received it from Harlequin writer, Pat White, who got it from Don Miguel Ruiz. Now I am passing it along. =)
Here are 8 "Rules of Writing" to keep in mind. 1) P&R--Persist & Reinvent 2) Write Out Loud 3) Own Your Own Work 4) Plot-lines Are Like Sharks 5) Sweat Equity Is The Best Investment 6) Conflict Is King 7) Credible Surprise Is Queen 8) Listen To Your Rice Krispies! ------------------------------------- ** P&R--Persist & Reinvent: If you're not selling, or if you're not getting a good response to your material from agents or publishers, try something else, whether it's a new voice or sub-genre or even genre. Keep at it. Keep trying. Look for new avenues that interest you. Find a different path. ** Write Out Loud: Take your vision and execute it to the fullest extent of your capabilities. It is always easier to pull back than to push forward in revisions, and I think that the bolder you are in your first draft, the more likely you are to be honest with what's in your head. ** Own Your Own Work: Do not rely on your editor or your agent or your critique partner to identify and solve your plot, character, pace, context, pagination, or any one of the thousands of problems you have to work through when you write a book. Educate yourself on craft by critiquing the books you read, both the good ones and the bad ones. Ask yourself, What works? What doesn't? Then, when you look at your own work, approach it like you're a drill sergeant facing off at a bunch of unruly, lazy slobs. For me, being nice to my tender little inner artist and soaking in the mother's milk of praise is a surefire way to get soggy and fatheaded. Discipline and a clear assessment of my strengths and weaknesses as a writer are the only things that work for me. ** Plot-lines Are Like Sharks: They either keep moving or they die. Pacing is mission critical and everything must keep progressing. ** Sweat Equity Is The Best Investment: This is corollary to rule three(Own Your Own Work). After I finish the first draft, I go through the book over and over and over and over again. Then I'll take a week off and come at it one more time. I spend hours and hours repositioning the breaks and the chapters and trimming things and sharpening dialogue and making sure I "show" and not "tell" the story. ** Conflict Is King: One of the things that always works well in stories are the conflicts. The characters must overcome a great many things as the story progresses, but each time they make it through one of these roadblocks or trials, they become stronger-just as your story will. You have both external and internal conflicts to consider with all of your characters. Conflict is the microscope of a book. When it's trained on a character, you see what's underneath the narratives of physical description. You see whether someone is strong or weak, principled or apathetic, heroic or villainous. ** Credible Surprise Is Queen To Conflict's King: Credible surprise is the ultimate play on the chessboard for an author. Plenty of things are surprising, but without prior context to give them weight, they're not credible. To really make a resolution sing, you need both halves--a really strong conflict and an unpredictable, but believable outcome. ** Listen To Your Rice Krispies: I don't know where my ideas come from. The pictures in my head have always been there, and they are in charge. What I'm shown is always infinitely better than what I try to deliberately construct. Let what's in your head be the driver. Even if you get lost, trust the stories. Also, a huge, albeit obvious, tip is this: Finish a Book! Even if you don't like it, or you don't think it's good enough, see one of your projects through to the end. Discipline is mission critical to publication, and no matter how enticing the other ideas in your head may be, get to the final page on at least one of your WIPs (works in progress). If you find yourself getting distracted by the buzz of new characters or concepts, write them down in a notebook or Word document to save for later. But teach yourself to finish what you start. |
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Thanks for the advice. It's much appreciated. I will print it out so I can refer to it.
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My book is gonna' be AWESOME! I'm 3/4ths done it. Ya' have noooo idea what a chore it is. Writing is NOT easy!
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WOW!..I wanna read it
Let us know when it's done |
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