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Topic: Seriously! Does it bother you?
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Wed 11/18/09 09:25 PM
Edited by smiless on Wed 11/18/09 09:30 PM

Since all the manufacturing jobs are outsourced, the technology should have been saved, but instead, that's outsourced too to India, Indonesia and even Europe (Ireland, England etc). Dublin (Ireland) is living off and making profit from information technology jobs, although they are always filled, due the high volume of people in the field.

There are plenty of lands in USA so agricultural work should not be outsourced, otherwise this country will be screwed.

think about it. After the GM crash..and no bailout, there is really not much left here in the USA, other than administrative work. The housing crashed, so there goes all the construction work and everything connected to it.

These jobs are not coming back. Anyone who thinks that there will be jobs like back in the day 3-4-5 years ago is seriously mistaken.

US will be getting all the stuff from China, Fossil fuels from the Middle East, technology from India.

Now, if they cut loose and start importing all the food...then it's really time to pack up and leave, because then there is really nothing left.

The reason why more women are employed today then men, has to do that administrative work and whatever comes with it (customer service, cleaning, secretarial etc..) is still around.

What I can't believe is that nobody seem to care or do anything about it, while the entire country is going to crash and burn.


You bring some good points and I also wonder why people don't seem to be bothered about the economic crisis in this nation at the moment.

I would understand if new innovative ideas and inventions would revolutionize the country to ensure world wide sales and jobs at home, yet I don't see anything innovative yet.

Just look at the car industry. GM is now restructuring its cars, but they are not alot better then before. Maybe they get a better mileage and are environmentally cleaner, but do they offer anything that a European, Japanese, or even Korean car industries don't already have?

I mean this is just one example.

Perhaps weapons is the only big business America has and economists have predicted this a long time ago knowing that war is the only way to get the economy going, yet for some reason this money just goes to the private individuals who care less about the economic status of their country. They can just live in Europe with their millions.
If it came back to the government who would use it to fund for the nations needs like it did in WW2 then perhaps this would have worked out good for the country.

Perhaps another alternative is that the land will be sold to foreigners who will get access to create businesses here to help Americans get jobs. I am sure it is being done already, but perhaps now that the dollar is weak more companies will take advantage of the situation. If Americans don't come up with more innovative ideas to ensure business for the people than yes it will have significant effect on its people.

I don't know as I am no economist and probably a horrible politician for Americans anyway, but I do know to revive an economy means to ensure jobs, inventions, and ideas that other countries wish they had.

Also thank you for mentioning about how Europe is changing its future on energy resources. I should have mentioned it earlier (I knew about this and witnessed it)that much of Europe is finding other alternatives to create its energy today.

Well anyway, I am sure there are answers and solutions. It would be great to see them laid out for I usually only see people complaining and not coming with anything solid on the table lately.

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Wed 11/18/09 09:38 PM
It bugs the heck out of me trying to find dog food and dog toys that aren't from China and are safe.

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Wed 11/18/09 10:00 PM

It bugs the heck out of me trying to find dog food and dog toys that aren't from China and are safe.


Oh yes I remember that time when the Barbie accessories and another large companies toys were tainted with mercury or lead right?

That is disturbing indeed. Did they ever get that under control actually? Would be a good research to look at.

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Wed 11/18/09 10:25 PM
I will not purchase or eat food from China due to the numerous reports of tainted food products from China.
We need to keep food production and manufacturing inside the United States.
I read all labels on food products for country of origin.
I will not buy food for my dog from China also due to the tainted dog food products that were shipped here.

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Wed 11/18/09 10:57 PM


It bugs the heck out of me trying to find dog food and dog toys that aren't from China and are safe.


Oh yes I remember that time when the Barbie accessories and another large companies toys were tainted with mercury or lead right?

That is disturbing indeed. Did they ever get that under control actually? Would be a good research to look at.


Yeah the lead poisoning with the paint products. Supposedly they did, but that doesn't mean much. They don't have the same regulations over there.

The dog food still comes through about every 2 months with some brand or another with tainted food. Extremely frustrating.

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Wed 11/18/09 10:58 PM

I will not purchase or eat food from China due to the numerous reports of tainted food products from China.
We need to keep food production and manufacturing inside the United States.
I read all labels on food products for country of origin.
I will not buy food for my dog from China also due to the tainted dog food products that were shipped here.



Yeah, it involves a whole lot of reading. I've also found even the need to check for expiration dates on the dog food is needed too!

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Wed 11/18/09 11:02 PM
Edited by smiless on Wed 11/18/09 11:06 PM



It bugs the heck out of me trying to find dog food and dog toys that aren't from China and are safe.


Oh yes I remember that time when the Barbie accessories and another large companies toys were tainted with mercury or lead right?

That is disturbing indeed. Did they ever get that under control actually? Would be a good research to look at.


Yeah the lead poisoning with the paint products. Supposedly they did, but that doesn't mean much. They don't have the same regulations over there.

The dog food still comes through about every 2 months with some brand or another with tainted food. Extremely frustrating.


You should create your own dog food and package it. Put in big letters "Made in the U.S.A."

Who knows, you might make a big business out of this!drinker


Also mention "Guaranteed Fresh". laugh

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Wed 11/18/09 11:04 PM




It bugs the heck out of me trying to find dog food and dog toys that aren't from China and are safe.


Oh yes I remember that time when the Barbie accessories and another large companies toys were tainted with mercury or lead right?

That is disturbing indeed. Did they ever get that under control actually? Would be a good research to look at.


Yeah the lead poisoning with the paint products. Supposedly they did, but that doesn't mean much. They don't have the same regulations over there.

The dog food still comes through about every 2 months with some brand or another with tainted food. Extremely frustrating.


You should create your own dog food and package it. Put in big letters "Made in the U.S.A."

Who knows, you might make a big business out of this!drinker


Also mentioned "Guaranteed Fresh". laugh


There's plenty of dog foods out there, and even the BARF and RAW diets, are probably the best thing going. I don't need to do any more. LOL!

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Wed 11/18/09 11:06 PM
I try to buy American whenever possible. I still think we have the choice with most products.

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Thu 11/19/09 10:59 AM

That practically everything you buy is from China. The plastic toys, bicycles, furniture, clothing, to the lightbulb you screw in to have some light at night to name only a very few.

I mean everywhere you look you see "Made in China".

Does it bother you that China is the largest debitor to the US?

Does it bother you that China helped get the US out of its recession?

If yes what will you do about it if you had the power to do something.

If no then explain why it doesn't bother you and what will the course be in the next 20 years for your country?




not in the least bothered. love low prices. happy that china holds our debt and not me with the sliding dollar. thrilled that someone will lead the world out of this recession. someone's got to, why not china? the next twenty years? simple really. a true global ecconomy will continue to prosper with increasing compitition and productivity as more and more consumers are created by wages leveling accross the planet. of course it will suck to be living in places like detroit but far more will be lifted up. my country? hmmmmm. i live on a planet. others that people call world leaders and polititians that i've no control over draw borders and create countries. i never made a country that i can rightfully call MY COUNTRY. i just got born in a place called houston. lucky me huh?

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Thu 11/19/09 11:05 AM

I try to buy American whenever possible. I still think we have the choice with most products.


hard to buy anything but american as far as autos go. there is a higher percentage of foreign made parts in a ford f150 than a toyota tundra. toyota builds more cars on american soil and employs more americans than any other auto company. indeed "foreign" auto makers employ more americans than ford, gm and chrystler combined. buying american is a slam dunk in some markets huh?

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Thu 11/19/09 12:52 PM
Well we have mixed emotions here. Some are bothered and others are okay with it. Divided as usual. laugh drinker

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Thu 11/19/09 10:31 PM


I try to buy American whenever possible. I still think we have the choice with most products.


hard to buy anything but american as far as autos go. there is a higher percentage of foreign made parts in a ford f150 than a toyota tundra. toyota builds more cars on american soil and employs more americans than any other auto company. indeed "foreign" auto makers employ more americans than ford, gm and chrystler combined. buying american is a slam dunk in some markets huh?


We have Ford and Toyota in our household, GM/Chevy is crap, but have never had issues with Fords or Toyota's. If America built better vehicles, who get good gas mileage for better $$$ then America would be selling more cars.

Can't b*tch if you don't compete.

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Thu 11/19/09 11:16 PM
China started becoming dominate on the economic landscape after Richard Nixon broke our political isolation of them. Shortly after, they established the SEZs, (Semi- autonomous Economic Zones), with they help of western corporations dreams of endless cheap labor and increased profits.
Until Nixon, the US didnt even recognize China's Communist Government as the legitimate Chinese Gov.
We recognized the ROC, (Republic of China), who we had helped during WWII and fled to Taiwan after the Communist won the civil war.

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Thu 11/19/09 11:17 PM
Even today, when most people visit China, what they really see is these SEZs and not the true China.

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Thu 11/19/09 11:18 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 11/19/09 11:18 PM
They come away with a false impression of what life is like for the majority of Chinese.

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