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Topic: I despise christianity...
Quietman_2009's photo
Sun 11/15/09 12:00 PM

but one I did like was Billy Graham

there was never a doubt on anyones part of his sincerity


now Billy Graham. THERE was a preacher

he could move a stadium of 100,000 to tears

and then make em all laugh with his humor

and he WAS the right kind of Christian and fought constantly to not be the usual type of evangalist and not be caught up in the power and money

he ministered as official spiritual advisor to President's Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush

when Clinton was in the middle of the Monica Lewinsky mess it was Billy Graham he turned to advice and support

but he is over 90 now and in poor health so Obama will just have to muddle on without him



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFaHEnM6HU

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/15/09 12:02 PM


but one I did like was Billy Graham

there was never a doubt on anyones part of his sincerity


now Billy Graham. THERE was a preacher

he could move a stadium of 100,000 to tears

and then make em all laugh with his humor

and he WAS the right kind of Christian and fought constantly to not be the usual type of evangalist and not be caught up in the power and money

he ministered as official spiritual advisor to President's Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush

when Clinton was in the middle of the Monica Lewinsky mess it was Billy Graham he turned to advice and support

but he is over 90 now and in poor health so Obama will just have to muddle on without him



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUFaHEnM6HU


lol. Im sure Obama has his own amazing spiritual advisors...seems to have been an upstanding man til this point in his life..

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/15/09 12:16 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 11/15/09 12:17 PM
I wouldn't put much into anything that comes out of SC.

They're down there now complaining because they wont get unemployment extension benefits or many other funds provided by the Stimulus.
They complain now, and the people are paying the price in hardship, because their Governor rejected it. His hopes of the Republican nomination for President have screwed his people. His indiscretion and corruption have screwed his chances of getting any nomination.
He screwed his people with the full support of his party (Republican) for nothing.
I remember many people on here declaring Sanford a Republican hero for not taking the Stimulus money! (Sound advice folks, just ask the citizens of SC who are unemployed.)
The Republican Party needs to be disbanded.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sun 11/15/09 12:19 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sun 11/15/09 12:19 PM
Texas didnt take it either

the money would have been nice for unemployment benefits. but when that money ran out the unemployment benefits would have still been obligated

and THEN the state would have had to raise taxes to maintain them

it was just another unfunded (or semi funded) mandate

but then again Texas didnt need the money. we have a several billion dollar surplus

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/15/09 12:30 PM

Texas didnt take it either

the money would have been nice for unemployment benefits. but when that money ran out the unemployment benefits would have still been obligated

and THEN the state would have had to raise taxes to maintain them

it was just another unfunded (or semi funded) mandate

but then again Texas didnt need the money. we have a several billion dollar surplus


No.
Texas ended up taking most all of it! Plus, thanks to Bush making Ft. Hood the largest military base in the US, they get billions of Federal funding.
Besides that, Texas doesn't have that big a surplus. They do have one, but that comes from cutting State programs to balance the State budget every year. Something that is required by State law.
If I recall correctly, to balance last years budget, they had to cut 10 mill/bill more from state programs.

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Sun 11/15/09 12:34 PM


Texas didnt take it either

the money would have been nice for unemployment benefits. but when that money ran out the unemployment benefits would have still been obligated

and THEN the state would have had to raise taxes to maintain them

it was just another unfunded (or semi funded) mandate

but then again Texas didnt need the money. we have a several billion dollar surplus


No.
Texas ended up taking most all of it! Plus, thanks to Bush making Ft. Hood the largest military base in the US, they get billions of Federal funding.
Besides that, Texas doesn't have that big a surplus. They do have one, but that comes from cutting State programs to balance the State budget every year. Something that is required by State law.
If I recall correctly, to balance last years budget, they had to cut 10 mill/bill more from state programs.



the surplus comes from oil. by law every barrel of oil has a percentage set aside for the "rainy day fund" and a percentage goes to education system fund

and they did take some of the surplus, but the portions that called for continuing funding of programs was rejected

Quietman_2009's photo
Sun 11/15/09 12:35 PM
AND that doesn't have anything to do with the OP

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/15/09 12:43 PM

AND that doesn't have anything to do with the OP


You brought Texas and Bush oil up. I only said I wouldn't put much stock into anything coming out of SC.
They have been trying to remove their Republican Governor, for his corruption, for sometime now.
He refuses to leave peacefully.
They have bigger problems than a license plate to worry about!

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/15/09 12:49 PM
Besides being a notoriously Republican run State. They are also in the heart of the bible belt.
If one, as many in this country are, is interested in attacking Christianity. What better place to do it than in the heart of the bible belt.

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Sun 11/15/09 01:35 PM
God bless you:wink:

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/15/09 01:53 PM

God bless you:wink:

If you mean me. Thank Youflowerforyou

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Sun 11/15/09 04:58 PM

As much as the next heathen, but this is just stupid.

COLUMBIA, S.C — A federal judge ruled Tuesday that South Carolina can't issue license plates showing the image of a cross in front of a stained glass window along with the phrase "I Believe."

U.S. District Judge Cameron Currie's ruling said the license plate was unconstitutional because it violates the First Amendment ban on establishment of religion by government.

Within hours, a private Christian group said the ruling doesn't stand in the way of its "plan B" to get a similar plate issued using a state law that permits private groups to issue tags they design.

The fight over the plates started shortly after Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer helped push the legislation through in 2008. Groups including Americans United for Separation of Church and State and American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee challenged the state's ability to put a religious message on a state license tag.



violates the First Amendment ban on establishment of religion by government.

wrong it violates the first ammendment part that says

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

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