Topic: Maine gives gay marriage the boot.
InvictusV's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:07 PM
How do you amend the states rights to deal with matters not exclusively given to the federal government? The federal government does not determine the rules for marriage.

lulu24's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:08 PM
i'm absolutely horrified and saddened by this.

i can't believe that anyone would think they have a right to restrict others from marrying and being happy.

it's disgusting.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:09 PM

How do you amend the states rights to deal with matters not exclusively given to the federal government? The federal government does not determine the rules for marriage.


You amend the 10th amendment to include marriage as a federal jurisdiction and be done with it. Put it up for national vote.

InvictusV's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:19 PM
You can't get 1 state to vote for Gay marriage. How are you going to get 38 to amend the constitution? Its not a plausible solution.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:23 PM

You can't get 1 state to vote for Gay marriage. How are you going to get 38 to amend the constitution? Its not a plausible solution.


Not yet maybe but in time. I will keep working on it and so will those like me who know that it isn't anyone elses business who people want to marry unless we are dealing with age or consent.

PacificStar48's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:24 PM
Just be nice if when there is a state vote on something it couldn't be bought and paid for by money from out of state. I know for a fact that the elderly in nurseing homes and group homes were being used to vote against when they were not even competent to take care of themselves. The religious people camein and helped them not only sign up to vote but help them fill out their proxy votes.

InvictusV's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:25 PM
Good luck..

artman48's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:33 PM

i'm absolutely horrified and saddened by this.

i can't believe that anyone would think they have a right to restrict others from marrying and being happy.

it's disgusting.



Have you ever seen pictures from a "gay pride" march??--Now that's, disgusting!!smokin

heavenlyboy34's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:35 PM

If the church hadn't submitted to the various State governments all those years ago, this wouldn't be an issue. It would be a matter between individuals and their churches. People on all sides of the issue should work together to de-politicize marriage. Let the churches issue the marriage certificates.

Historically, decentralization of power has been the key to individual freedom and happiness-and I don't foresee that aspect of human nature changing anytime soon. glasses

Thomas3474's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:37 PM
Marriage isn't a Government issue.Nobody is saying gays can't love each other but the gays are wanting marriage which was not started by the government but was started by the people long before the United states was even a country.The Government never created marriage,defined it,or supported it from the time this country was created until now.It was and always has been a private institution created between a man and a woman.Knowing that it is a issue that should be dealt with the general public it is up to the general public to decide what kind of people can legally get married.The one and only reason the Government even bothers to get involved is because some people are saying that is is infringing on their Constitional right to life,liberty,and the pursuit of happiness.It is a weak argument because 1.)Marriage is not a right nor is it mentioned in the Constitution. 2.)It is largely a Christian tradition. and 3.)It is up to the people to define what marriage is and they have defined it as a man and woman.

Goofball73's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:37 PM
Okay. Let me get this straight. The people of Maine voted. Well, I am sure not all of Maine voted, but I am referring to the ones who did vote. And, the majority voted against this...and some of you are saying it is sad that they did? That they voted for what they felt was right, and it is wrong of them to feel this way?

Look, I don't agree with homosexuality. However, I do believe that human beings have the right to choose what they want. You wanna be gay, then go right ahead. Have at it. I won't judge you for how you live your life or how you vote. I don't think this is a sad day. I feel that the majority won out, and the side that won was against gay marriage. To me, that is what I care about. I want people to vote how they want to. How they feel lead to. Yes, I know people are persuaded. But when it comes to a hot topic like this, you pretty much know where you stand.


artman48's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:39 PM


If the church hadn't submitted to the various State governments all those years ago, this wouldn't be an issue. It would be a matter between individuals and their churches. People on all sides of the issue should work together to de-politicize marriage. Let the churches issue the marriage certificates.

Historically, decentralization of power has been the key to individual freedom and happiness-and I don't foresee that aspect of human nature changing anytime soon. glasses



Yep!

lulu24's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:42 PM


i'm absolutely horrified and saddened by this.

i can't believe that anyone would think they have a right to restrict others from marrying and being happy.

it's disgusting.



Have you ever seen pictures from a "gay pride" march??--Now that's, disgusting!!smokin
we had one here in town, and i brought my children and we marched with them.

what was disgusting were the protesters. the people who dumped manure on the lawn of a perfectly wonderful long-term couple.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:42 PM
Gays will be able to marry each other in every state soon enough. People will realize that they do not have a right to nose into others lives at this level.

JustAGuy2112's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:43 PM


The people have spoken:thumbsup:
:smile: The people also spoke and massacred the Native Americans and took their land.:smile: The people spoke and enslaved African Americans.:smile: The people spoke and made women property of their husbands.:smile: The conservative people in Germany spoke and elected Hitler.:smile: The people of Europe spoke and persecuted Jewish people.:smile: etc.:smile:The people have often been wrong :smile:



Which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of gay marriage.

Ladylid2012's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:43 PM


i'm absolutely horrified and saddened by this.

i can't believe that anyone would think they have a right to restrict others from marrying and being happy.

it's disgusting.



Have you ever seen pictures from a "gay pride" march??--Now that's, disgusting!!smokin


I am not gay..not bi...100% strait and I have marched with my gay friends...
and I found them to be wonderful kind people..and found nothing about it disgusting.

Life , Liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ALL...matters not if you like it, hate it, find it immoral, or disgusting. It is not your life....
Live and let live!!

heavenlyboy34's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:46 PM

Marriage isn't a Government issue.Nobody is saying gays can't love each other but the gays are wanting marriage which was not started by the government but was started by the people long before the United states was even a country.The Government never created marriage,defined it,or supported it from the time this country was created until now.It was and always has been a private institution created between a man and a woman.Knowing that it is a issue that should be dealt with the general public it is up to the general public to decide what kind of people can legally get married.The one and only reason the Government even bothers to get involved is because some people are saying that is is infringing on their Constitional right to life,liberty,and the pursuit of happiness.It is a weak argument because 1.)Marriage is not a right nor is it mentioned in the Constitution. 2.)It is largely a Christian tradition. and 3.)It is up to the people to define what marriage is and they have defined it as a man and woman.


You're right in the most literal sense. However, marriage stopped being a private institution in the mid 19th century when the common law marriage was usurped by politicians who wanted more power over individuals' lives and replaced with the modern license. If this legal maneuver hadn't occurred, we wouldn't be stuck fighting right now (typical of government actions).

JustAGuy2112's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:48 PM
My half brother ( same father, different mothers ) is gay.

I really couldn't care less if he was to be allowed to marry someone. It wouldn't effect my life in the slightest.

Well...except for a bit of confusion over whether the new family member would be a brother or sister in law.

* shrugs *

Thomas3474's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:49 PM

Gays will be able to marry each other in every state soon enough. People will realize that they do not have a right to nose into others lives at this level.



HA!Now thats funny! :laughing: Are you talking about how the gays are sticking their noses into a 6000 year old Christian tradition and trying to re-write it so everything is backwards and the gays define what marriage is? rofl

Shot yourself in the foot on that one big time!

oops

artman48's photo
Wed 11/04/09 08:49 PM


Marriage isn't a Government issue.Nobody is saying gays can't love each other but the gays are wanting marriage which was not started by the government but was started by the people long before the United states was even a country.The Government never created marriage,defined it,or supported it from the time this country was created until now.It was and always has been a private institution created between a man and a woman.Knowing that it is a issue that should be dealt with the general public it is up to the general public to decide what kind of people can legally get married.The one and only reason the Government even bothers to get involved is because some people are saying that is is infringing on their Constitional right to life,liberty,and the pursuit of happiness.It is a weak argument because 1.)Marriage is not a right nor is it mentioned in the Constitution. 2.)It is largely a Christian tradition. and 3.)It is up to the people to define what marriage is and they have defined it as a man and woman.



Yep!
You're right in the most literal sense. However, marriage stopped being a private institution in the mid 19th century when the common law marriage was usurped by politicians who wanted more power over individuals' lives and replaced with the modern license. If this legal maneuver hadn't occurred, we wouldn't be stuck fighting right now (typical of government actions).