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Topic: Does water have consciousness?
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Thu 11/05/09 03:42 PM
By my definition of 'consciousness' yes it does.

Everything does.

Anything that can interact with anything else has a degree of consciousness.
I agree with this.
The only problem with that is that is throws away the complexity of cognition that make the standard definition meaningful.
I'm not sure that's necessarily true, depending on what is meant by "can".

Most definitions of "can" imply ability, power or knowledge, none of which would be very applicable to an inaniamate object. But they would all be very applicable to any life form.

And of course the is the question of whether or not "interaction" refers to a two-way causative relationship. That is if I hit a ball, obviously I am a causative factor in the interaction. But is the ball also a causative factor? In other words, was I the cause of the interaction? Or was the ball to cause of the interaction? Or both?

It seems intitutively true to me that I was the ony causative factor in the interaction between me and the ball.



So I see "Anything that can interact with anything else has a degree of consciousness." as a workable premise.

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Thu 11/05/09 04:15 PM



By my definition of 'consciousness' yes it does.

Everything does.

Anything that can interact with anything else has a degree of consciousness.


I agree with this.
The only problem with that is that is throws away the complexity of cognition that make the standard definition meaningful.


This is true. But the English language is like that. This is one of the reasons it is the most difficult languages to learn.

I think if I were to attempt to describe what I think "spirit" is, it would be "consciousness." Consciousness (spirit) then finds its expression in bodies and form and flows through these bodies and forms until it inhabits a creature that is capable of 'cognition.'

That is incarnation.


no photo
Thu 11/05/09 07:13 PM
I really like the comments so far. Oddly, I agree with both Bushido and JB. Bushido gives a solid and useful definition of consciousness, but I don't believe that language use should be limited by the way its used in scientific communities.

I am saddened when new-agey types use language in a nearly contentless way (referencing 'consciousness' and 'energy') while thinking to themselves that they are saying something deeply profound.

Also, I don't see why water should have any more 'consciousness' ascribed to it than any other non-living substance. But the human experience of water is something else entirely.

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Mon 11/09/09 06:14 AM




By my definition of 'consciousness' yes it does.

Everything does.

Anything that can interact with anything else has a degree of consciousness.


I agree with this.
The only problem with that is that is throws away the complexity of cognition that make the standard definition meaningful.


True. So what we need is a different word for what JB and I are talking about. I don't know if the word exists yet.



The right word is "reaction"
Water reacts to the change of environments only.

In the philosophy "consciousness" is regarded as a property of highly organized matter for psychological reflection of reality as a conscious being.

In the real human life - as a mental activity that provides targeted reflection of the outside world, separating the object from the environment and opposition to himself (as a subject of an object)... purposeful activity, i.e. plan and anticipating the actions of their result, control and management of the behavior object.


Sorry for " object" "subject" but I try to speak in general terms because of the "water" :angel:





wux's photo
Tue 11/10/09 09:48 AM
Water is consciousness.

It will fill out the space available to it. (Like obsessive focussing, on object, or subjects, like filling a hole or a hollow vessel. It will occupy the life of an otherwise hollow (vacuous-minded) vassal.)

It will wash out dirt. (Like meditation, like laundromats.)

It will carry debris away. (Like downriver, like train of thought.)

It will entertain you. (Like waterboarding, like fantasizing.)

It will torture you. (Like waterboarding, like haunting you.)

It will make you float.

It will make you sink.

It will make you wade through it.

It will make you dip your newborn baby in it.

It will quench your thirst.

It will freeze when you get cold enough.

It will evaporate when you've been cold enough for too long.

Consciousness is water.

Ladylid2012's photo
Tue 11/10/09 10:12 AM
yep..I would believe it does.

wux's photo
Tue 11/10/09 11:46 AM
Locakiss, I agree with your post more than with any other, including with mine. It's nice to have a sane, clear-thinking, bright person in amongst our midst.

So: Welcome, and try not to get infected with our new age craziness. It's catchy. Just ask Cathy. I grew up thinking like you, and by george, I miss that. I've been hanging too long in this life. Time to hang up my gloves and think SEX. Yeah, I remember thinking those in my upbringing, too.

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