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Very interesting post Smiles. I do understand what the "The enlightenment of the Buddha" is talking about. Its pantheism basically. Everything being connected.

As for the butterfly effect ... wow. I wonder what happens when I pick my nose?

I beg to differ. It is NOT "up to me" to "prove" anything to you about my conclusion or claim unless I give a crap what you believe or unless I am trying to convince you to agree with me.

I do see evidence of design and a designer. It is glaringly obvious and self evident to me. It is clear to me that if you can't see it then nothing I would ever do or say would be "proof" to you. I can only explain what I see to the best of my ability and hope that you might see what I see.

Have you ever seen those pictures that when you stare at them in a certain way a three dimensional picture appears? Can you see the picture? I can. I have often attempted to help someone else see the picture and nothing I do or say or describe seems to help them see it.

This is the way I feel trying to get people to see what I see about this reality and this universe. If you can't see, you just can't see. There is no way I can make a person see that three dimensional picture if they can't see it.

There is no way I can prove it is even there.

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Don't do it! It could create a major snow storm where you live!

Thanks for the laugh

Okay so I decided to consult the Tarot for an answer to the question:

"Is the Universe intelligent?"

Card drawn: 7 of cups. In this card a woman sits in her chair daydreaming. The foggy swamp behind her represents her imagination and her dreams. The seven cups surrounding her represent dreams and myriad options. What she desires may be right under her nose just waiting to be seen and recognized, but the cups blend in so well with their surroundings that you can hardly see them and it is as if she does not see them at all. She just sits there and daydreams.

While the Emperor represents order efficiency and neatness this card stands for all that is sloppy, impractical and lax. The universe is lazy and disordered.

Actually you could call it chaotic. Perhaps “order” is what we strive for rather than the actual condition. This card may imply that the universe is a dream and the dreamer is in a lazy and chaotic state of mind. Or perhaps we are still half asleep, or just barley conscious.

The advice to the dreamer might be to manifest your dreams by using creative visualization to focus on specific goals and bring them into physical reality.

I interpret the card as meaning that the universe itself is not intelligent, but that it is a dream environment for intelligent life forms who co-create reality. They are ultimately responsible for the chaos and the order in their personal reality.

This card design is a derivative work done via the computer using the painting called “Passion” by Sir Frank Francis Bernard. (Foreground)

The background swamp from a painting “Morning in the Tropics” by Frederic Edwin Church, 1877

I'm not saying that order came from chaos. If that was the entire meaning of your post, then there is a misunderstanding. What I was saying is that the Universe happened. No matter how unlikely anything in it may be, the fact of the matter is that it's here.

That aside, I love reading about Inflation Theory and the idea that the Universe essentially "came from nothing."

Similarly, the schizophrenic can't convince others to hear the veiled commands to kill people in the barks from the dog next door. I imagine he would be very frustrated that no one else can hear what's so glaringly obvious to him. See my point?

Yes, I can see the 3-D pictures.

Yes and I bet you can see MY point then. I can't don't know how to help you to see what I see. So stop asking. But don't tell me that I don't see it. I do not accept your authority concerning what I can see.

If you can see the 3-D pictures, try helping someone who just can't see them to see them. It's not easy.

Perhaps the card is telling the truth. Very good prediction.

Well, I'm certainly not in a position to argue against that.



Well, if you read "The Inflationary Universe", by Alan Guth (the physicist that gave birth to the idea of Inflation Theory), you'll see that he never claims that it came from "nothing". On the contrary he postulates that it came from a "quantum fluctuation".

But along with that, comes the necessary premise that the laws of quantum mechanics were already in place before the birth of this universe.

So unless you consider the 'quantum field' (and its behavioral laws) to be "nothing", it would be incorrect to say that Inflation Theory suggests that the unviverse came from "nothing".

Inflation Theory actually postulates that the quantum field has always existed, and the unvierse came out of the quantum field.

I personally feel that this is indeed the best theory we have to date, and I think Alan Guth is every bit as brilliant as Einstein or Newton. I admire the man greatly for his brilliant work!

Alan Guth is right up there on my list of Super Great Scientists.

The images require you to relax your focus, which it seems some people can't physically do on command. If they can't, then they can't. There are techniques for doing just that, and they usually work.

But that's irrelevant, really...

Whenever I've run into someone who can't see those, I tell them to focus behind the picture. (I think that's what Muerte meant by "relax focus") If they can grasp that concept at all, it usually works.

What I meant by "nothing" is that there was no matter as it is perceived by the everyday person. Creationists usually bring up the fallacious argument that Atheists believe that the Universe came from nothing. The idea that the matter in the Universe came from a mere fluctuation in the Quantum Field defies the average Bible-thumper's concept of reality. So there's a subtext to what I was saying, but that's why I had "came from nothing" in quotes. lol.

I'll definitely have to pick up that book though. Does it read like Michio Kaku's or Brian Greene's work? I don't know if I can sit through another author like Daniel Dennett. lol.

Pretty much what I meant. If you can simply bring your eyes out of focus regardless of what you're looking at, it's REALLY easy to see them. Couldn't tell you if there's a trick to it though. I just do it.

I have met some people who can't see them to save their life. The first time I actually saw that image come forth I was amazed.

Yeah, the problem is with the word "focus". Each eye has a lense that changes shape to make an image sharp according to distance from the image.

But that's not the "focus" that makes the 3D apparent.

What that "focus" is, in this sense, is "the point at which the line-of-sight from the two eyes intersect".

If that point is on the same plane as the picture, then you see random garbage.

It's only when that point is the correct distance behind the picture, realtaive to the distance between the two eyes, that you see the 3D image.

I didn't know the correct word to use, but anyway, I think the eyes are supposed to be looking straight forward or close to it. If you focus on the image with one eye, the other seems to want to go to the correct position. Maybe because my eyes have two different prescriptions for correction it's easier to do than explain. lol.

I just sort of go into a blank trance-like stare and the image comes forth.

It feels like I am looking into a secret world or a fish tank with stuff inside.