I agree with you entirely, the big drug companies create their own atmosphere of terror which they relay to people like the WHO / CDC / Dept of Health / Homeland Security and many of their "facts", are over inflated statistics and worst case scenarios. The drug companies really don't care if people actually get the shots as long as they have a contract with the government that guarantees the purchase of however many millions of doses.

My biggest issue with the conspiracy type sites is only that they cross the line between fact and fiction. *Most of them go far beyond inflating existing numbers or being too liberal with their projections and will knowingly provide entirely fabricated stories and "reports of real life events", to create fear. They know that the more ridiculous the claim that they make - the faster it will become a viral story and be spread around as fact.

For me - the big factor is this...the government will pump millions of tax dollars into advertising to spread the story around to complacent viewers who really don't care, in the hopes that roughly 10% of the population will be panic stricken enough to run out and get the shot.
The government is operating under the premise that the Department of Health has accurate data from the CDC and World Health Organization who in theory did a detailed investigation of the statistics provided by the drug companies who claim to have a "silver bullet", cure.

The Conspiracy sites know that they are reaching far fewer people but that their viewers are much more passionate about the subject and as long as they make it sound like the government is trying to kill half the population then they know the story will become viral and spread like wildfire throughout every social media source available without costing them a cent. The part that gets left out is people taking the time to trace the information source which from my experience usually goes along the line of:

"I read it on a blog that got it from a web site who quoted another site that copy and pasted it from another site that was written by a scientist who discovered that ground monkey dung smeared on crystals found in an ancient Mayan ruin can cure cancer, acid reflux, back pain, pulmonary embolisms and hemorrhoids...he just published a book that tells you of other amazing cures and you can buy it on his site for $19.99 + S/H"

To be entirely honest - both sides are sure that they are the only ones who have the populations best interest in mind...The people who read the conspiracy sites spread the message because they either genuinely care about people and their health or distrust the government enough to want to undermine any actions they are taking to protect their assets.

The government does it to protect the population because they want people to be healthy enough to make sure that there is a good business continuity and minimal disruptions that could cost them tax dollars and votes.

I have my own personal reasons for being a little sensitive about this type of thing.
4 1/2 years ago, my father was diagnosed with liver cancer. The Oncologist said that it was easily treatable by surgery and a round of chemo....a couple of my father's friends had heard about this new product that was discovered by a scientist.

Their children had read blogs with a link to a site that had quotes from and a link to the company website. His friends were also battling different forms of cancer, the blogs claimed to have known people who had been diagnosed with non operational tumors who were miraculously cured - the web site claimed to have clinical proof that it not only cured cancer but it prevented people from ever developing cancer.

Needless to say, my father being more than a little worried about surgery and chemo went along with his friends - after all, they claimed to have clinical proof and testimonials from people who had been cured...well, after 6 months and $3000 his liver started to shut down. The Oncologist gave him less then a month to live because he didn't act on it when he was first diagnosed, 10 days later he died. Both of his friends also passed away within a year.

I guess you could say that my problem with conspiracy web sites is that 99% of the time, their information stems from sites like http://www.1cure4cancer.com/ and other "natural medicine", sites.

As far as I know, the bloggers and conspiracy sites aren't intending to be malicious and they are spreading the information as a public service derived from their own distrust of modern medicine.

The only problem is that it usually links back to 1 sleaze bag who wants to line his pockets rather then a corporation wanting to line their shareholders pockets...the difference is, corporations can be held legally accountable for their actions but just try and find the guy who owns the 1cure4cancer or any number of other "anti modern medicine", websites to hold them accountable for the thousands of people they have/will killed by convincing them that only they have the cure for what ails them.

Okay, I'm done my rant now and I'm sure gave everyone waaaaay too much information but at least hopefully you'll see why I don't listen to the government propaganda or the natural healing viral marketing and always encourage people to do their own research and make their own decisions without one group or the other trying to terrorize them enough to sway them to their side.

**Before I forget, actually current research shows that the idea that a typhoid shot caused the type A - H1N1 influenza virus (1918 Spanish Flu), is virtually impossible because there was no way at the time to genetically combine the 2 strains in a culture without one of them becoming dominant and destroying the other. They are fairly certain that it originated in Fort Riley, KS where the soldiers who were waiting to ship out lived in very close contact with the livestock kept for food. The popular theory at the moment is that multiple soldiers became infected with different viruses (bird flu and swine flu), and became perfect incubators to promote the antigenic shift required to create what became known as the Spanish Flu. Now, I'm not going to claim that the new theory is correct either but they have determined that the chemical cocktail that they gave as a typhoid shot would not have been able to find a suitable environment to mutate with the technology of the period - the human incubator theory is just the most probable of the current working theories.

I think these types of threads are fun and helpful in many ways. It lets us share our knowledge and experiences with our fellow minglers (Lady, I am truly sorry to hear about your child's bad experience).

However, it would be helpful to do a little research before taking a posted website's information as fact.

For example, the overuse of antibiotics is a real problem in that some strains of bacteria have been strengthened by improper use (they are called superbugs) and the effectiveness of the antibiotic is now limited by it's over use ... but creating these viruses? No way. viruses and bacteria have almost nothing in common other than symptoms of some of the diseases they cause. Antibiotics are not used to treat virus infections. If used at all, they prevent secondary infections while the body's immune system is weakened.

Antibiotics are used to fight bacteria, usually by killing them. Antivirals are used to treat some viruses, usually by slowing the replication process so the immune system can clear them out. Almost anything powerful enough to kill a virus would kill the host.

Thank you.

Antibiotics have nothing to do with viruses. Antibiotics only deal with bacteria.

I remember getting a Rubella/German Measels shot (sp?) when I was younger. I was sick for three weeks.

If you want to get healthy, wash with antibacterials less and take in more germs, give your body a fighting chance to protect itself

Yikes, three weeks is a long time.

When you were younger, they were using live viruses. They haven't done that in years.

Yes, I've been hearing that about the antibacterials too.

Also, get enough sleep and eat right and stay away from sick people.

Shh, my age is a secret!! I don't want anyone to know I'm in my 80's.

I won't tell.

Oh yeah..I'm not buying into any fearmongering chit. It was 25 years ago when my oldest got his shots and got sick. I never got my other two boys any... and have done my research. There are risks and there are very few who are affected, that is true. For me and my boys, I choose not to take the risks. Like it has been stated here..life will get ya eventually...
I'll ride it out without adding any more risks.

Unfortunate story.
Yes, you have to be careful of natural cures too.
Use discernment.

All I know is that people should have more options than chemo.
And an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Sometimes people wait too long before anything can help.

And all I know is that the Guld War Syndrome has DEFENITELY been linked to the vaccines.
This stuff always starts with the military somehow.

And as a Christian, I do know that there IS a global de-population agenda. The bible states that the end-time plagues are coming. I believe they will be man-made.

Rev
6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

I really can't imagine lions, tigers , and bears running wild and munching people. Because, like, we have guns.

Many of these vaccines are grown in chicken embryos, monkey kidneys, ect. And if the long-awaited Avian Flu finally arrives? I believe this is how the 'beasts' of the earth will kill us. And who knows what is going on in the Black Budget labs and what other goodies await us.

There is some real sci-fi stuff going on.
google morgellons disease sometime!

I also know that a lot of the most far-out conspiracy stuff is put out by the government themselves (agent provacetuers) - to muddy the waters. So that they CAN point the finger and laugh. I listen to Art Bells old show Coast to Coast (most popular late night show) all the time. A mixture of truth and fiction to confuse people. And it's pretty entertaining.

I believe I have, and continue to pray for, the gift of discernment. It is by far one of the most valuable spiritual gifts you need in sorting fact from fiction.

Cheers

I am anti vaccine for my child. He will never have a flu shot for the simple case that he is allergic to eggs. But he will not have the others just so big business can make money off his body.

You might as well do meth, since there are just as many harmful chemicals in vaccines they give to infants.

Why does everyone trust these drug companies?

It's called advertising.

The drug companies make money by selling you a drug that you need every day for the rest of your life. They don't make money by curing anything.

Vaccines have their place. There are some problems.

The vaccine cannot cause the disease. If you can get and take the vaccine then it is by far the best way to prevent serious illness from the flu.

It is safe and effective. Use as directed!

I got mine for the seasonal flu and will take the H1N1 variety as soon as it is available. Kids got the H1N1 on Mon. We've all already had the seasonal shot. Everybody is just fine!

You believe everything the drug companies tell you?

They have been giving teen girls the gardasil vaccine, and have you read some of the disturbing things that have happened to a lot of them? Even DEATH.

Do you know what kind of chemicals they use to make vaccines? Things you would NEVER ingest on your own. Do your research and see what you can come up with.

Vaccines have no place in my life.

There are some that have their place, yes. But it seems to me they are throwing drugs out there left and right without even doin enough research on side effects. It's all Big business now, and people TRUST anything these days. It's quite sad to me.