Are you certain you know that perhaps someone didn't create us? How can you be so sure? So this icon could be the same icon a person who believes someone created him or her reflected back to you. Is he or she wrong? Why should they be? Maybe they are right! We don't know, yet others believe they do and preach it everyday.

Your conclusion is we are here for entertainment. It is a good perspective, but maybe we are here for an important event. What it can be we just don't know? Maybe there is no reason for our existence, yet we live it. Many scientists have claimed everything was done by accident. Einstein referred to it a few times also.

Perhaps it was an accident. Perhaps that is a lame excuse because he couldn't find an answer for the reason of our existence or any existence for that matter.

The fact is we don't know no matter how logical a guru, spiritual leader, religious leader, atheist, or etc. etc. creates his philosophy.

What we do know is we exist now and we can choose what to make out of it.

I am okay with not having a afterlife. If it is so then so be it.

I am also okay if reincarnation does exist. If it happens then so be it.

Nobody is talking about 'holding grudges.' I also don't insist that I am right. I have been completely wrong about my beliefs before and I got over it.

Life is indeed a great mystery and I think we should live it the best possible way we can right here, right now.

As for what everyone else believes, it just does not matter.

OR are they 'designed and programed' to survive and to do things that insure the survival of their species?


That is it..

it is how the genes are "programed"...not a choice or a conscience effort ...

Okay, if that be true, then how were these genes designed? Who designed them?

Oh no I am not referring you are holding grudges. That was not the intent of my message. I was just expressing how I feel about the subject.

You know I value your wisdom and you shouldn't think otherwise with the messages I reply with.

so .... When did this thing called life begin????

Is that the ?

me????

life is energy, it can not be created or destroyed.....only change forms....

But you were referring to holding grudges simply by stating that you "do not hold any grudges.."



I know you were not implying that I was 'holding grudges.' But apparently someone must be 'holding grudges for you to make those statements of what you are NOT doing.

It is like saying, "Don't think about pink elephants." When you say that. the first thing a person thinks about is a pink elephant.

I notice that you never get into debates with anyone or get involved in any arguments or disagreements with anyone, and that you always make a point to be positive most of the time. It is obvious that you avoid conflict.

And yet I sense a great sadness and despair sometimes coming from you.

So that is just my impression.

I'm not certain of anything. We could have been created by demons for their pure amusement for all I know.

We could be an utterly meaningless fleeting happenstance event like the atheists believe.

All I was suggesting is that it's also possible that we are the creators who did this to entertain ourselves.

From my point of view this makes the most sense. After all, the one thing we can know with absolute certainty is that 'we perceive'.

Therefore if someone did this for entertainment purposes, it seems to be that the most likely suspects would be the ones who are perceiving the entertainment.

Otherwise we'd need two perceivers.

"Us" (the victims of the creation) and "them" the gods who are being entertained by watching us be victimized.

It just seems simpler to assume that "Us and Them" are one in the same.

I mean, if we're going to go the route of the 'entertainment' explaination.

Very true as usual James. I hope your days are going good by the way.

We all have our ups and downs. Sometimes we are sad and in despair and sometimes we are uplifted and happy. Those moments do not pass us by. It happens rather we want it or not.

Debates, Conflicts, Agreements, Disagreements, Enjoyments, Anger, Happiness we have them in our daily lives. Some of us have them without the use of a internet like at our jobs, family, friends, and loved ones.

I sometimes debate on the internet, but most of the time, I observe. Sometimes I give an opinion about something and you should know I have debated hard many times in the religious section in the past, but there is a moment when you think about it and say for what reason. I rather concentrate on the positive elements of life then trying to figure out something that we can't know. Not that I am suggesting anyone that they shouldn't try. If they want to figure out why we exist or the purpose of life then be my guest.


Ahhh the debates in all the subjects available to us as humans.

Some agree

Some don't

Some threaten

Some praise

There will always be two sides of a coin when it comes to an opinion.

I don't have a problem with that

and I hold no grudges

So reincarnation might be interesting if it is true, but what about living a immortal life? You think it can't happen. Then think again and look at this interesting creature.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/253204

One might ask the question “For what reason should a game be important?” and apply the answer to “reincarnation” (or all of existence).

It is only when one assigns “the purpose of existence” to some external agent that it becomes a “problem to be solved”.

In other words, the simple act of saying “I was created” invokes the concept of “purpose behind the creation”, and implies that the creating was not done by self. Thus there is nowhere to go but search for the creator and its reason for the creation.

On the other hand, if one says simply “I AM”, there is no creation involved and thus “purpose” itself must be the creation of “I”.

Yes very true. Many believe in pantheism also. I say if that works then they should embrace it. Afterall, they have to be happy with the conclusion.

It is self evident to me that I AM.