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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American". 
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Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone.  But how can we live under Sharia Law if we are taking God out of everything?
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American".
be seeing you
Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. But how can we live under Sharia Law if we are taking God out of everything?
Ok, for the first time in forums,, you have to explain that one to me,,,lol |
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MirrorMirror
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Sun 10/11/09 11:54 AM
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American".
be seeing you
Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. But how can we live under Sharia Law if we are taking God out of everything?
Ok, for the first time in forums,, you have to explain that one to me,,,lol  I keep hearing that we are gonna live under Sharia Law but I also keep hearing we are taking God out of everything (I didnt hear that from you). So I am sort of confused on that.
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I can accept someone not saying the "under God" part
but I can't imagine anyone not wanting to pledge allegiance to the flag of our nation remembering that the flag represents the FIRST nation on earth that allowed its own citizens to rule. The first nation on earth to grant absolute freedom and self determination to its people and represents pure liberty and feedom. even the freedom to burn the flag itself its the principles to pledge to not just a brightly colored rag hangin on a pole |
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If communists cant believe in God,then how can BHO be a secret muslim and a communist at the same time?
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American".
be seeing you
Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. |
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To tell you the truth, I never knew that this caused problems for people saying "Under God".
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I can accept someone not saying the "under God" part but I can't imagine anyone not wanting to pledge allegiance to the flag of our nation remembering that the flag represents the FIRST nation on earth that allowed its own citizens to rule. The first nation on earth to grant absolute freedom and self determination to its people and represents pure liberty and feedom. even the freedom to burn the flag itself its the principles to pledge to not just a brightly colored rag hangin on a pole I guess it is an individual thing. I am torn as well because as a christian I can see it being a false idol (a piece of cloth) but as a real time citizen, I also understand the symbolism behind it. I grew up choosing not to say it but I respect those who do and I totally see the motivation for it and respect that too. |
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If communists cant believe in God,then how can BHO be a secret muslim and a communist at the same time?
I think Atlantis and I established you can be communist and have one religion, it was done in communist nations. They only allowed one though. So if Christians believe they are the only one true religion do they believe like Communists on that one? Makes ya think........ |
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American".
be seeing you
Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. We basically just agreed. People should be permitted to pray quietly at any time of day but there are schools where children are not permitted to do so,,, even silently. I do not think this is right. |
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My girls say it in school every day! Yay! I have no problem saying and I also don't have a problem for those who don't wish to say it. To each his own. suspend a straight-A child for such? really? i think not! i flat-out refused to have her punished. i refused to say it even in kindergarten. Good for you and for your daughter. I don't understand the rationality behind saying the pledge at all. Anyone know why it's even nessessary? there are those that get all riled up that schools are doing an obama dance and song...and yet, to me, the pledge is along the same lines. If it was mandatory and children were being FORCED to say it, then yes. It's not though, well at least in some schools. haha comparing the obama song to the American flag is laughable. Oh well guys, another brick wall post, we just won't agree or change each other's minds. 
Great Country to have these freedoms of speech. 
There are many, many posts in this forum where people aren't going to agree or change each other's minds. It's the nature of the forum. |
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American".
be seeing you
Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. unless it's the State sanctioned indoctrination, of course-then it's a-okay. 
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To tell you the truth, I never knew that this caused problems for people saying "Under God". Under which god? Is there a god to be under? Why do we have to be "under" a god? If it is not my god that we are "under" am I being discriminated against? Should I have to be under someone elses god? .................. See? |
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Pledging allegiance would have been able to stay in the schools had it not been for the unfounded fear of communists....lol That is funny to me. Ironically, the original pledge stance looked like the Nazi salute, but that too was changed to make it "more American".
be seeing you
Back to the nazi salute? probably back to no God,, judging from the current culture. I think it should be elective, I always have thought it should be. However, I dont see how saying it hurts anyone. Its like a prayer, I dont think schools should impose upon children that they have to pray but I dont think it right to disallow those who want to to do so when it doesnt hurt anyone. People can pray silently at any time of day or to themselves quietly at any time of day. There is no need to have to do it in a group that involves those who do not believe in that god. Indoctrination of religion should not be allowed. We basically just agreed. People should be permitted to pray quietly at any time of day but there are schools where children are not permitted to do so,,, even silently. I do not think this is right. They are not stopped from praying to themselves...lol How can anyone stop them? Read their mind? How would anyone know that is what they are doing? |
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If communists cant believe in God,then how can BHO be a secret muslim and a communist at the same time?
I think Atlantis and I established you can be communist and have one religion, it was done in communist nations. They only allowed one though. So if Christians believe they are the only one true religion do they believe like Communists on that one? Makes ya think........  Are there any muslim communist countries? It seems sort of incompatible. There has always been strife between communists and muslims as far as I am aware.
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To tell you the truth, I never knew that this caused problems for people saying "Under God". Under which god? Is there a god to be under? Why do we have to be "under" a god? If it is not my god that we are "under" am I being discriminated against? Should I have to be under someone elses god? .................. See? Its really semantics I guess. Whatever God means to the pledgee. It doesnt say Yahweh or allah, just generic GOD. Some people have a Green God (the almighty dollar) , some have a fleshly God(whatever feels good), some people worship Allah, some worship the government, some worship rebellion,,,I think God in the pledge is pretty non conformist which is why it doesnt offend me. It would be different if It said ALLAH. |
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My girls say it in school every day! Yay! I have no problem saying and I also don't have a problem for those who don't wish to say it. To each his own. suspend a straight-A child for such? really? i think not! i flat-out refused to have her punished. i refused to say it even in kindergarten. Good for you and for your daughter. I don't understand the rationality behind saying the pledge at all. Anyone know why it's even nessessary? there are those that get all riled up that schools are doing an obama dance and song...and yet, to me, the pledge is along the same lines. If it was mandatory and children were being FORCED to say it, then yes. It's not though, well at least in some schools. haha comparing the obama song to the American flag is laughable. Oh well guys, another brick wall post, we just won't agree or change each other's minds.
Great Country to have these freedoms of speech.
There are many, many posts in this forum where people aren't going to agree or change each other's minds. It's the nature of the forum. No! Wow you just enlightened me. 
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To tell you the truth, I never knew that this caused problems for people saying "Under God". Under which god? Is there a god to be under? Why do we have to be "under" a god? If it is not my god that we are "under" am I being discriminated against? Should I have to be under someone elses god? .................. See? Its really semantics I guess. Whatever God means to the pledgee. It doesnt say Yahweh or allah, just generic GOD. Some people have a Green God (the almighty dollar) , some have a fleshly God(whatever feels good), some people worship Allah, some worship the government, some worship rebellion,,,I think God in the pledge is pretty non conformist which is why it doesnt offend me. It would be different if It said ALLAH. Well said MsHarmony!!
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I can accept someone not saying the "under God" part but I can't imagine anyone not wanting to pledge allegiance to the flag of our nation remembering that the flag represents the FIRST nation on earth that allowed its own citizens to rule. The first nation on earth to grant absolute freedom and self determination to its people and represents pure liberty and feedom. even the freedom to burn the flag itself its the principles to pledge to not just a brightly colored rag hangin on a pole I AGREE!! Good Grief! 
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