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Topic: Israel-- America's ticking timebomb ?
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Tue 09/22/09 06:41 PM
Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were commited. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?

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Tue 09/22/09 06:42 PM

Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were commited. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?
:smile: Yes:smile: Same thing that happened to the native americans is being done to the palestinians:smile:

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Tue 09/22/09 06:50 PM



No we should not sever ties with Israel. They are the only common sense in that region.

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Tue 09/22/09 06:50 PM
Israel seems to act like they do because of the backing from America and sometimes it appears that this is were some of the hatred for the west comes from when dealing with the middle east. I cant believe that a country can show such disdain to another then cry foul if someone speaks up. In England we protested for the palestinian blockade to stop and the israel spokesman said we didnt know the facts.

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Tue 09/22/09 06:51 PM
I don't do politics or religion

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Tue 09/22/09 06:53 PM




No we should not sever ties with Israel. They are the only common sense in that region.
That could all be down to the protection and support it gets from America.

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Tue 09/22/09 06:54 PM




I don't think our being hated in the middle east is due to us supporting Israel, I think its deeper than that. Our government has a real problem with going to foreign lands and pushing our beliefs and our democracy on them and that will tend to piss people off.

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Tue 09/22/09 06:59 PM





I don't think our being hated in the middle east is due to us supporting Israel, I think its deeper than that. Our government has a real problem with going to foreign lands and pushing our beliefs and our democracy on them and that will tend to piss people off.
Very true but most of the countries in the middle east believe that israel is the voice of the west because of its strong links to the west

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Tue 09/22/09 07:02 PM
Edited by cashu on Tue 09/22/09 07:06 PM
I for one don't see why we support the Jews as much as we do . they started the trouble is palestine not the Arabs . and as far as history goes this isn't the first time the Hebrews came into palestine an took it over from the people that lived there . but it is the first time they came in killing them . they need to make peace with each other an stop the crap . I know a lot of Arabs and there very nice people . mostly . and as far as the American indians go . every one on this planet as has been robbed of there home a couple of times . get over it . you didn't start here , you started in the same neighborhood as all the rest of us .asia .and they are the reason we are haveing trouble with the arabs . you can't just kicked people in the *** and be loved at the same time .

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Tue 09/22/09 08:39 PM
The State of Israel

Established in 1948 as the Jewish State, struggling for its safe existence and in constants pursuit of peaceful coexistence with its neighbors; from history and geography, to politics and economy, here are the facts about the State of Israel



The State of Israel was formed on May 15 1948 as a Jewish state and a democratic republic. Over time it became one of the only two democracies in the Middle East, the other being Turkey.


Israel's Borders

In the West – the Mediterranean Sea and the Gaza Strip; in the North – Lebanon and Syria; in the East – Jordan and the Palestinian Authority's autonomous territories; and in the South – Egypt and the Red Sea.



Israel – the essentials
From the national anthem, religion and demographics to languages, industries and government, here are some essential facts about the State of Israel


Israel holds territories that it captured in 1967 from Syria (the Golan Heights), Jordan (the West Bank) and Egypt (Gaza). In certain sections of the West Bank, an autonomous Palestinian Authority was established. I say if they kick *** on a country why not take it. Israel has my full supportdrinker

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Tue 09/22/09 08:45 PM

Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were commited. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?


Yes, America needs to totally revamp its foreign policy-eliminate all conflicting interests, including those in the mideast.

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Tue 09/22/09 08:58 PM

Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were commited. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?


No. Your assertion is ridiculously false. The UN and the Goldstone Commission is outrageously biased against Israel. There is no equivalence between firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas (as Hamas did to Israelis) and the military response which the Israelis reluctantly had to take to stop the rocket attacks.

Israel like any country has an obligation to protect her citizens from such war crimes. Their warfare to stop it was done with restraint and admirably avoided mass civilian casualties. Despite the exaggerations from Hamas and the UN, the vast majority of Palestinian casualties were armed militants who actually used their own population as human shields.

Israel deserves our support and admiration and support of others who value freedom over intolerance, ignorance and barbarity.

see:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/UnitedNations_94/5603_94.htm

and

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778687,00.html

Many countries who have been on the receiving end of radical Islamic terrorism now understand that appropriate response and deterrent is necessary.

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Tue 09/22/09 09:07 PM


Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were commited. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?


No. Your assertion is ridiculously false. The UN and the Goldstone Commission is outrageously biased against Israel. There is no equivalence between firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas (as Hamas did to Israelis) and the military response which the Israelis reluctantly had to take to stop the rocket attacks.

Israel like any country has an obligation to protect her citizens from such war crimes. Their warfare to stop it was done with restraint and admirably avoided mass civilian casualties. Despite the exaggerations from Hamas and the UN, the vast majority of Palestinian casualties were armed militants who actually used their own population as human shields.

Israel deserves our support and admiration and support of others who value freedom over intolerance, ignorance and barbarity.

see:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/UnitedNations_94/5603_94.htm

and

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778687,00.html

Many countries who have been on the receiving end of radical Islamic terrorism now understand that appropriate response and deterrent is necessary.


The Israeli government brought those attacks on the innocent by terrorizing the innocent people of Gaza. (much like the US brings attacks on its citizens with its atrocious policies)

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Tue 09/22/09 09:23 PM
I don't see reason for the "ties" to be cut, even if Israel is not "alliance' with USA. This is what really causes the problems, the definition of the alliance and the reason for it. USA has other allies all over the world, and yet it's not "allied" or at least not as promptly put forward as with the relations with Israel. What we see with the Gaza intrusion and various settlement issues and contested areas are due to aggressive geographical expansion. Pretty much all western nations can be accused of "aggressive expansions", think of the various empires existed in history which invaded other countries for the sake of control. It's the same thing, except it is happening in modern times.
The reason it looks something terrible or downright aggressive is due to the fact, that there are no other countries expanding (or trying to expand) territorially.
Unfortunately, the case is worse regarding Israel, since it's oil on the fire of having Jews doing this in the middle of Muslim nations, not to mention Jerusalem is a sacred place to 3 main religions at the same time and it is under Jewish control.
So whether the expansion of territories by aggressive political and military force (settlements, walls etc) looks brutal in todays' world, especially with the human rights laws and rules of engangement and so on, Israel can go both ways from the current position, live on or fail.
Since the USA (and the rest of the world) is in an economic recession, and the developing Muslim countries are gaining in both fields - technology, living standards, political power, - bigger roles in banking, financing, exporting- the differences are diminishing between what Israel might looked as a "modern country" vs. the surrounding nations.
I'm not even gonna mention the population growth of Muslims/Palestinians vs. Jews, because the Jews are seriously outnumbered and will be even more outnumbered in the near future.

I don't like to make predicitons, because I'm no Nostradamus, but the current state of affairs and the way things going, I'd say Israel will cease to exist within the next few decades, and it doesn't even need an aggressor to attack or getting into a war with anyone.

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Tue 09/22/09 09:29 PM



Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were commited. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?


No. Your assertion is ridiculously false. The UN and the Goldstone Commission is outrageously biased against Israel. There is no equivalence between firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas (as Hamas did to Israelis) and the military response which the Israelis reluctantly had to take to stop the rocket attacks.

Israel like any country has an obligation to protect her citizens from such war crimes. Their warfare to stop it was done with restraint and admirably avoided mass civilian casualties. Despite the exaggerations from Hamas and the UN, the vast majority of Palestinian casualties were armed militants who actually used their own population as human shields.

Israel deserves our support and admiration and support of others who value freedom over intolerance, ignorance and barbarity.

see:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/UnitedNations_94/5603_94.htm

and

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778687,00.html

Many countries who have been on the receiving end of radical Islamic terrorism now understand that appropriate response and deterrent is necessary.


The Israeli government brought those attacks on the innocent by terrorizing the innocent people of Gaza. (much like the US brings attacks on its citizens with its atrocious policies)


Nonsense. If the Palestinians had ceased firing rockets randomly into cities at any time then there would have been no war.

The Israelis were no more responsible for the rocket attacks against her civilians than Americans were responsible for the Al-Quaida 9ll World Trade Center attacks...or the London and Madrid train bombings, or the Indian hotel bombings...etc. etc. etc.

A land dispute is never a valid excuse for rocket attacks, or bus and cafe bombings.


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Tue 09/22/09 10:18 PM


6 middle eastern countries can get along if 5 are nuked!

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Wed 09/23/09 02:16 AM
LOL common sense.tell that to my parents who were murdered right before my very eyes at the age of five by isrealis..just because we didn't want to give up our home that had been in our family for generations.
let's not also forget their own people that get detained for speaking out against the illegal occupation .
peace

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Wed 09/23/09 02:16 AM
LOL common sense.tell that to my parents who were murdered right before my very eyes at the age of five by isrealis..just because we didn't want to give up our home that had been in our family for generations.
let's not also forget their own people that get detained for speaking out against the illegal occupation .
peace

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Wed 09/23/09 02:20 AM
don't know why previous post, posted twice.

Slo1hand....Hamas didn't fire rockets for the heck of it. Israel violated the cease fire treaty by cutting off food, water, and electricity. Of course the media won't report that. Could that be why Israel wouldn't allow any journalists into the area? Please don't speak on something you don't know about. My family is there, their info is more credible than any news outlet.
israel is illegally occupying the west bank straight up, God forbid Palestinians try to defend their homes.

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Wed 09/23/09 02:32 AM

Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were committed. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?

America will never cut ties with Israel because the Jewish lobby, the neo cons, the Zionists are very powerful in Washington and they direct the American foreign policy . They are in very high public and business places and anything against Israel will be sot down in seconds and not in minutes . This is the American reality as it stands in this century .

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