We all know of the story of the tree of knowledge, but if it was taken litarillay- then.... god put that tree there as a test to man, yet adam and eve ate the fruit ( due to the temptation by satan), therefore incurring god's wrath and damming all of mankind. BUT- If god WAS all-knowing and powerful, he would have known what Adam and eve would do- yet he let it happen anyway, HE gave man that he had an illusion that he had a choice- but God knew all along what they would do. This cancels out the possibility of free will. The question is- why would he knowingly screw his own children?

It does not work that way but if you say so that is your take
I don't do religion

did He put the fruit into their mouths...God has given us all free will..but we are a willfull spoiled people and as a rule in general we do spoiled people things...

Everyone, every day, has infinite choices. What and how you choose is part of being human.

why is this under christian singels lol..

what i would say though is that God has always given us free will. Yes God is the Alpha and the Omega and he is the all knowing god... God does not stop you from making mistakes he doesnt make good things happen to you and he doesn't make bad things happen to you god is good and he supports you along your path in good and bad times. He merely knew that he would put a tree there and that man would eat. God gave us a choice as to make our own decision to eat or not and we ate.

but in the end if you want to say that then that is your opinion

but positve people live longer the world is beautiful and yes it has problems but you can help those problems you can make that choice to be part of the solution and not just the problem...

I know that free will is a factor B U T HE KNEW WHAT MAN WOULD DO!!! and PUNSIHED them anyway. good try people. IT's nice to see how many try to see the meaning through another's eyes.

the whole point is that God didn't make man eat, God told them not to, and they did anyways.. there isn't anything screwed about that

yes God knew manw ould eat but he gives free will just like he knows what you will be in 40 years but he doesn't change that if you're going to a bum or a crack head... because all those are YOUR decisions.

So we're talking free will vs. pre-destination here.
Whoa...tough question.
I like the tough questions!

As do I, so shoot boy. and please try to think before you speak,

oh, not in a mean way. sorry.

He knew he would be with us all along the way teaching valuble lessons, and giving us the blessing of experience, and also giving blessings for decent behavior.

He didnt damn them or us to hell, the ultimate punishment.

He gave us free will, the ability to choose, and make our own decisions, so that we may appreciate what it is that we have, and work for, and get in life more.

Hypothetical situation;

I invite you into my house. I graciously offer you every amenity. Help yourself to anything, eat,sleep, relax to your heart's content.
The only thing I ask is that you don't violate my personal space by rummaging through my nightstand. If you DO violate the one rule I established all too plainly, you'll no longer be welcome in my house.

Do I owe it to you to explain why I made that one specific rule?

Am I the bad guy for even having a nightstand in the first place?

Is it likely that I have that particular nightstand there just to trap you as a sneak thief and can then get some type of twisted satisfaction in throwing you out ?

I've always considered the story of the Tree of Life to be about having choices and then having to accept the consequences, for better or worse. It's up to us.

That's a great analogy, Allen.

Thanx Winx


I dunno...It just kind of burns my chaps a little when folks imply, let alone come right out and state,
that God is evil for giving us free will...

I mean...Good grief already...

Yes, he even allows us to call him things like "evil" or say "God screwed us over", but imo not without its lesson. Good luck op.

Do I owe it to you to explain why I ran into it?

No, it for punishing them while knowing what they are going to choose in the first place, this cancels out the whole purpose of the "test." It's like placing a bar of choco in front of a little kid. you know he's goning to eat it, even if you tell him not to. And yet you puinsh him anyway because you gave it to him in the first place. Besides, I think that the devil in that story was a symobol for curiousitoy. Would'ent that make a whole lot more sense? Just like how the kid is gonna eat the choco, but wonder why you placed it before him in the first place.

Lemme tell ya the difference honey.. God forgives the children..


But YOU are not one of them. If you want to pretend you know nothing.. go right ahead.

I wonder if you are a parent?

Would you make sure that your chilren never failed giving them the illusion when they ventured off they were invisiable?

No parent allow thier children to fail to let them see what is real for themselves.

Thats whats wrong with this country we have taken the scriptures out and replaced them with laws that defy parents rights to raise thier children as they should be. Making the authority who is thier master so to speak.

And this nation and the world has been going downhill with this lie.

Yahweh stepped away and let families raise thier children giving them the tools to do it with.

If you have a child ask them if they ever get called in to a councelors office trying to find out everything that is private in your family.

No yahweh is Just Righteous and Fair.

Mans has to realize men in high places are feeding us lies in this information world and we just eat it up because the scriptures mean nothing to us anymore or we would understand when a lie is a lie...Shalom...Miles