Thanks.. I have plenty to research and read.. TY...Shalom...Miles

I live in AZ with a significant number of Mormon's and have known and worked with Mormon's for years. I am sure people must leave tne Mormon Church but isn't it rare to leave??

yea i believe it is. You are shunned by everyone i believe at least if you do so you end up knowing hardly anyone.

I will say when I was in the service everyone was the biggest liars in the world it seemed like. You did not know who to believe.

I met 2 airmen who were Morman and became friends with them becaus ethey did not lie like everyone else.

We did not ever talk religion that I remember but they became good friends but I have no idea where they are at now.

Blessings of Shalom...Miles

I left when I was still a teenager so I never really considered myself a mormon and never thought much of it, now that I am in Utah, wow it really is social suicide for people here if they want out. I know people here that just go through the motions...because they don't want to deal with the garbage they will get. I really don't understand that much...
There are groups here, where they gather to help each other with the process of being blackballed.
Easier to come here as a non mormon then to come as a mormon and then leave the church. jmo

There is much that the many will refuse, such as, The Word of God fulfilled in Paul ~


J. Smith certainly does not subscribe to the Holy Spirit inspired apostle who wrote in Colossians 1:25 that God chose him to be the vessel by which He would fulfill (Greek pleroo, "complete") the Word of God.

In order for Joe Smith's claims of new revelation to be correct, Paul's claim in Col 1:25 would have to be false - they can't both be true. So, in order for the LDS to be correct, the Bible once again must be regarded as erroneous. And if you can't trust part of an allegedly infallible book, there's no sound reason to trust any of it (there'd be simply no objective way of determining which parts, if any, can be trusted). Which, by direct and inescapable implication, indicts the God who inspired it either of error, weakness or duplicity, any one of which once again renders Him less than completely trustworthy, which the Bible says He is. Try as I might to think outside the box, this is where I always end up if the logic of the Mormon position (and others) is carried out to its reasonable end...I end up with a God who cannot be trusted.

Yet, Paul (and it would be Paul, if anyone) nowhere gives any indication that God had a SECOND body of truth (i.e., BoM, etc) which would be coming along later. As far as divine revelation is concerned, the Pauline mystery (see Romans 16:25; Eph 3:8-9) is IT. Done. Finito. Amen.

Paul was led by the HS to say the following:

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

So in Colossians 1:25, where it is written, that God chose him to be the vessel by which He would fulfill (Greek pleroo, "complete") the Word of God. That's what he did - with the revelation of the mystery [secret] given to him, God had nothing more to say. Many cannot and will not believe that, of course, nor will a growing majority of prots. But that's what Paul said. Neither some other church, nor Rome with it's Marian revelations, Pentecostals, Urantia, Mohammad, Buddha, or anyone else gives me ONE ATOM OF HARD EVIDENCE to change my mind.


Here is a Bible QUOTE for YOU ALL ! ! !
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you."
Joh 16:12-14

Guess who the HS gave to guide everyone?

Well, we don't have to guess, the HS has provided us with the correct answer:

Paul said in Colossians 1:25 that God chose Paul to be the vessel by which He would fulfill (Greek pleroo, "complete") the Word of God.

That's what Paul did - with the revelation of the mystery [secret] given to him, God had nothing more to say.

As far as divine revelation is concerned, the Pauline mystery (see Romans 16:25; Eph 3:8-9) is IT.

The apostles of the circumcision only spoke of what they had heard and seen. None received divine revelation and spoke about it except John, and he wasn't instructed to write about it until the isl of Patmos imprisonment much later, which is also addressed to the Jews, as he too, is an apostle to the circumcision.

There are Mormons on this site and I hope they dont get their feelings hurt ,or offended by something that someone said in this thread

They are no different than anyone else. Thier is no nasty attack going on here.

Personally if you can not defend your faith as the scriptures say. Then you need to dig deeper and find out for yourself why.. Shalom...Miles

I am mormon and speaking for myself I appreciate the honesty that people have expressed. I am not offended because you all have a right to say what you feel. I won't defend my stance because I lack historical and biblical knowledge. Today we talked about Joseph in Carthage. What I understood to be the main problem was Joseph stood up the Nauvoo legion and it was large and well trained. Through his statements and perceived arrogance I'm sure he made a lot of enemies. what i'm also hearing is the Paul is apparantly the last prophet mouthpiece whatever for God and God has now silenced himself to mankind.