Topic: What do you guys think about the cash for clunkers?
Winx's photo
Thu 08/20/09 09:27 PM



Basically just another bailout for the automakers.


It helps communities.


for three months.

I'll say it again. we need lasting growth and development, not a bunch of really, really expensive bandaids.


Yes, we do need lasting growth. But...three months or more is better then no months, in my eyes.


no photo
Thu 08/20/09 10:56 PM


People that don't like this administration won't find any thing good in it. Was the same way for every other president. Not sure why we bother.


and people that love it will never see the faults.

Then there are those of us that realize that they are still politicians just like Cheney and Bush with a different agenda and suck just as much. Besides, it's a lot more fun being in the middle watching the idiocies of both sides.


There's just no pleasing you.. lol I could say that those that hate it will never see the good points either, but in the end neither of use know for a fact if it all works out or not.flowerforyou

adj4u's photo
Fri 08/21/09 04:17 AM
it is like putting j b weld on a hole in your oil pan

it may help for a bit

but you will probably blow your engine

Bestinshow's photo
Fri 08/21/09 04:33 AM



Basically just another bailout for the automakers.


It helps communities.


for three months.

I'll say it again. we need lasting growth and development, not a bunch of really, really expensive bandaids.
you can buy half an aircraft carrier with three billion not counting the planes laugh

no photo
Fri 08/21/09 04:59 AM
The environmental cost associated with building a new vehicle outweigh the savings associated with increasing your fuel consumption by anything but an astronomically high number (think 150%). So unless people are trading in old Suburbans for Vespas, you'll be hurting the environment more than helping it.

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 08/22/09 04:07 AM
Blah blah we give Israel 2.3 billion in aid every year, give aid to US workers and Industries and the right wing starts foaming at the mouth. What a joke.

Winx's photo
Sat 08/22/09 04:19 PM
My car wasn't accepted for the program.grumble

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sat 08/22/09 04:23 PM
It's unconstitutional and a total waste of resources, not to mention it props up failed companies that should've taken the losses(fascist style).

adj4u's photo
Sat 08/22/09 04:23 PM
well i wonder what the broke people will have available when they need to buy a used call in a year or two

program is going to be hurting the poor

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heavenlyboy34's photo
Sat 08/22/09 04:23 PM

Blah blah we give Israel 2.3 billion in aid every year, give aid to US workers and Industries and the right wing starts foaming at the mouth. What a joke.


Good point!

Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 08/22/09 04:23 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sat 08/22/09 04:24 PM
so lets see if I have this straight

we're gonna confiscate some of the money from your paycheck

and then give it to other people to buy a new car

hmmmmm

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 08/23/09 08:07 AM


Blah blah we give Israel 2.3 billion in aid every year, give aid to US workers and Industries and the right wing starts foaming at the mouth. What a joke.


Good point!
Thank you. I dont think people have any idea how bad the economy was a few months back we were on the edge of a collapse. We did have to bail out the banks to keep them solvent and if memory serves it was the Bush team that did that, just handed them a blank check. This Cash for Clunkers at least put some people back to work and paying taxes rather than drawing unemployment. It may have saved other companies from bankruptcy as well and preserved pensions for many people. There is much more to this story than the few problembs it had. I say it was a huge succsess a win/win. What does this country make anymore besides cars and armaments? Should we let the auto industry go the way of TV's and refigerators? what will this country actualy produce if we willingly let the auto industry implode? lets be objective on this eh?

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 08/23/09 09:56 AM

it is like putting j b weld on a hole in your oil pan

it may help for a bit

but you will probably blow your engine

Perhaps...

I once JB'd a cracked block on a detriot jimmy (671).

While under way with passengers on board...(i.e it was absolutely necessary to fix it).

Held together 2 hours...

IF a quick fix will allow time for a good fix go for it.

AndrewAV's photo
Sun 08/23/09 07:35 PM




Basically just another bailout for the automakers.


It helps communities.


for three months.

I'll say it again. we need lasting growth and development, not a bunch of really, really expensive bandaids.


Yes, we do need lasting growth. But...three months or more is better then no months, in my eyes.




with no real benefit in the end? it's like eating a $3B ice cream cone. It was good while it lasted, but in the end, all you have is a decaying pile of ****.

AndrewAV's photo
Sun 08/23/09 07:37 PM
Edited by AndrewAV on Sun 08/23/09 07:38 PM

Blah blah we give Israel 2.3 billion in aid every year, give aid to US workers and Industries and the right wing starts foaming at the mouth. What a joke.


That was never brought up here and is totally off topic. I haven't seen anyone say that was needed either (because it's not). One waste of money does not justify another.

And this is not aid to the worker, this is a very inefficient transfer of funds to the corporations and a couple months of work. There is no long-term benefit and no long-term help here. It's just a complete waste of money.

cabot's photo
Sun 08/23/09 07:49 PM

Personally; I believe it has only one positive: stimulating the auto-industry. The negatives are obvious as in; environmental impact. Let's keep it clear and concise.

I'm down for some debating!


Cash for Clunkers is a hoax. A short term effect on a dead economy. More Government intervention. Cars, Health Care, Houses...and on and on.

Winx's photo
Sun 08/23/09 07:53 PM
A short term effect is better then a no term effect, IMO.

cabot's photo
Sun 08/23/09 07:58 PM

A short term effect is better then a no term effect, IMO.


I'm in it for the long term...not a six month plan. jmo

Short term thinking is what got us into this mess.

AndrewAV's photo
Sun 08/23/09 08:00 PM

A short term effect is better then a no term effect, IMO.


but at what cost? when it's over, we are literally back at square one while removing affordable cars from the marketplace and providing only enough employment to last through the program. We blow $3B for I'm betting half that in actual temporary gain. I can give a million reasons why it's a bad idea, but the only responses I get are that it provides jobs and income and the fact they're both very limited in scope and time gets completely left out.

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 08/24/09 04:36 AM


Blah blah we give Israel 2.3 billion in aid every year, give aid to US workers and Industries and the right wing starts foaming at the mouth. What a joke.


That was never brought up here and is totally off topic. I haven't seen anyone say that was needed either (because it's not). One waste of money does not justify another.

And this is not aid to the worker, this is a very inefficient transfer of funds to the corporations and a couple months of work. There is no long-term benefit and no long-term help here. It's just a complete waste of money.
Its not off topic at all. How much did the Iraq war cost and what did we gain ? Your going to nickle and dime the Obama admin on something that actualy worked and ignore the big pile of stinking crap left over from the Bush admin? I suppose you were on your soap box when all those no bid contracts were handed out to Haliburton? Please lets at least stay in earth orbitlaugh