Topic: What's wrong with the Delectable French Model Health Care Sy | |
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My cousin lives in Germany. He had an almost fatal car accident there. He was in a comma. He got excellent care there. I can also name you several people that got excellent care here in the U.S. as well... ![]() Yes, they do but my cousin didn't pay for his care. |
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My cousin lives in Germany. He had an almost fatal car accident there. He was in a comma. He got excellent care there. I can also name you several people that got excellent care here in the U.S. as well... ![]() Yes, they do but my cousin didn't pay for his care. um they dont have taxes in Germany? |
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My cousin lives in Germany. He had an almost fatal car accident there. He was in a comma. He got excellent care there. I can also name you several people that got excellent care here in the U.S. as well... ![]() Yes, they do but my cousin didn't pay for his care. um they dont have taxes in Germany? Of course they do. Then the citizens get free health care and the children get free college. |
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My cousin lives in Germany. He had an almost fatal car accident there. He was in a comma. He got excellent care there. I can also name you several people that got excellent care here in the U.S. as well... ![]() Yes, they do but my cousin didn't pay for his care. um they dont have taxes in Germany? Of course they do. Then the citizens get free health care and the children get free college. But it's not free because taxes pay for it. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Mon 10/12/09 11:37 PM
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health care is not free of course. however, ALL the best health care programs in terms of objective measures are single-payer and they cost SUBSTANTIALLY less than our current system.
the U.S. isn't even in the top 35. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/08/11/frances_model_healthcare_system/ http://atlantis2.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4546219n http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html |
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"Except that not all people will be able to afford health insurance still. Even when our economy was booming there are those who cannot afford health care. So you still did not solve this problem with your "solution". "
Frankly, the Baucus bill still leaves people out in the cold. Government regulation has already driven up the cost and the current proposals will drive it up further. The solution is not more government interference and regulation in the US. It drives up the cost of care. France and most of Europe face reform or bankrupcy. Odd that Europe is trying to find it's way out of universal health care while we seem determined to go down the same crazy path. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124958049241511735.html The high cost of health services regulation is responsible for more than seven million Americans lacking health insurance, or one in six of the average daily uninsured. Moreover, 4,000 more Americans die every year from costs associated with health services regulation (22,000) than from lack of health insurance (18,000). The annual net cost of health services regulation dwarfs other costs imposed by government intervention in the health care sector. This cost exceeds annual consumer expenditures on gasoline and oil in the United States and is twice the size of the annual output of the motion picture and sound recording industries. http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10011 If the trend in the U.S. over the last several years has been toward more of a European-style system, the trend in Europe is toward a system that looks more like the U.S. Therefore, if there is a lesson which U.S. policymakers can take from national health care systems around the world, it is not to follow the road to government-run national health care, but to increase consumer incentives and control. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Tue 10/13/09 04:58 AM
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single-payer is not the Baucus bologna
it is quite simply medicare for everyone or veterans administration healthcare for everyone. govt run and equal for u s senators, congress, and regular citizens evens the playing field. doesn't cover non-citizens. backed by the purchasing power of 300 million participants. there are excellent models for how to do it right (such as France). much more cost effective and fair and covers everybody. no more losing your health coverage when you get sick or lose a job. it's going to happen because it is the only economical way. so why not do it now rather than torture ourselves for a few more years? we all deserve care as good as our representatives. we should have it now. they have it in France...and well, see my links.... the current system is broken and costly beyond "repair" it should be chucked in the garbage can. the sooner the better. the faster we get it done right the more money and lives we save. that is the reality of the situation. goes to the stove to pop some more corn... ![]() |
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Penalizing people for not getting socialized healthcare? Oh come on where does it end. Ya think we have all learned by now how intrusive and corrupt the government is, do you really trust they are doing what's best? In my opinion, NO, this will be detrimental to our society. America is becoming less free every day.
![]() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGPumAMkn_0&feature=player_embedded (sorry, I've tried posting links but just cannot figure out how ![]() |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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Tue 10/13/09 08:17 AM
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Gotta love it when you-tube is considered any kind of accurate news....lol
Considering Medicare and Medicaid is socialized medicine and some of the state programs based on income are socialized medicine. The stink over socialized medicine really isn't valid. Socialized medicine has been here already for a long time. Some Americans are already taking advantage of socialized medicine, now all we need to do is get all to have that advantage. We need the public option and we need to give it the time to work. |
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I wonder if some of the cheerleaders for socialized medicine work or pay for private insurance?
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Gotta love it when you-tube is considered any kind of accurate news....lol Considering Medicare and Medicaid is socialized medicine and some of the state programs based on income are socialized medicine. The stink over socialized medicine really isn't valid. Socialized medicine has been here already for a long time. Some Americans are already taking advantage of socialized medicine, now all we need to do is get all to have that advantage. We need the public option and we need to give it the time to work. You are right. Too bad medicare and medicaid are two of the biggest causes of our skyrocketing healthcare system. Both systems are inefficient and cost a fortune, while they never pay the whole bill to the hospital. According to the staff at my hospital, we actually lose a certain amount of money every time we take a medicare patient... This should probably be investigated before considering socializing medicine... |
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the big expense is the insurance company overhead!
eliminate the overfed middlemen! health insurance executives developing their palatial estates and milking the system! the gravy train has de-railed! they just don't know it yet... ![]() http://masscare.org/health-care-costs/overhead-costs-of-health-care/ |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Tue 10/13/09 11:46 AM
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the big expense is the insurance company overhead! eliminate the overfed middlemen! health insurance executives developing their palatial estates and milking the system! the gravy train has de-railed! they just don't know it yet... ![]() http://masscare.org/health-care-costs/overhead-costs-of-health-care/ Yes you are right. But there are many middle men. Most due to government regs. Insurance was originally only supposed to be used for catastrophic incidences that would leave a person broke. Our problem, is insurances that pay for every day visits. Medicare has even more middle men than normal insurers. So they are obviously not part of the solution. I think most middle men should be eliminated, over-fed or otherwise. I also think hospitals should deny insurance coverage for every day visits. I think some regs need to be cut in the billing departments and HMO's. Cut out middle men, you make the system more efficient. That is the only way you will not sacrifice care for price. Lets look at a private practice run by a Dr. Robert Berry. He made a great deal of effort to operate out of our system of HMO's, government regulations, etc. He does this by simply not accepting Medicade or Medicare, and therefore completely cuts out the government third party providers. As a result, a routine visit from him will only cost a patient about $35 (out of pocket without insurance). Imagine if we only accepted insurance over anything over $1,000? Insurance premiums would drop to $20 a month, because it would never get used. The more often insurance (private or government run) is used the more people need to get paid. Plain and simple. Peace. ![]() |
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But we want an efficient and effective healthcare system regardless of the level of prevention, n'est ce pas? so let's put it in place now and stop screwing around! ![]() times a wastin'! ![]() Yes, but that has nothing to do with a french system. WE are different from the French. Our economy is run differently, our hospitals are run differently, our government is run differently. Start as Dr. Berry did. Go from there. Eliminate middle men. You will never have an efficient, (high quality reasonably priced) healthcare system if you have our government in charge of it. It may be possible but you would have to put the president, and everyone in congress on the same exact system with us. Then you would also have to cut corruption out of the picture. |
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real quick question:
of the plan that's being proposed, most of, if not all of, it doesn't go into effect until 2013.. if it's such an emergency and this plan is going to so great, if everyone will see the benefit and come running to public option single payer healthcare, why make us wait around until after the next presidential election? Why not make it law and instiute it tomorrow, if it's so bloody awesome? |
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real quick question: of the plan that's being proposed, most of, if not all of, it doesn't go into effect until 2013.. if it's such an emergency and this plan is going to so great, if everyone will see the benefit and come running to public option single payer healthcare, why make us wait around until after the next presidential election? Why not make it law and instiute it tomorrow, if it's so bloody awesome? lol ![]() |
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Edited by
raiderfan_32
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Tue 10/13/09 12:55 PM
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bump..
care to take a swing, big fella? real quick question: of the plan that's being proposed, most of, if not all of, it doesn't go into effect until 2013.. if it's such an emergency and this plan is going to so great, if everyone will see the benefit and come running to public option single payer healthcare, why make us wait around until after the next presidential election? Why not make it law and instiute it tomorrow, if it's so bloody awesome? why wait till 2013? why wait till The One has a chance to be re-elected without having implemented his magnanimous plan but getting the "credit" for signing it into law? so let's put it in place now and stop screwing around! ![]() times a wastin'! ![]() ****************************** lol ![]() Back at ya! ![]() |
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Not waiting to make us pay taxes for it.
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