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Topic: The Health Care Bill
TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sun 08/02/09 09:58 AM
I'm not planning on haveing social security by the time I am eligable to have it. That they know will be gone. Why dont they try and fix that, it's completely broken. But no instead lets totaly revamp health care which isn't completely broken and could be fixed with regulating a few aspects of it. Like has been stated before. The percentage of uninsured in the US is only about 10%. Tha includes those who choose not to have insurance, plus illegal imigrants.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Sun 08/02/09 10:04 AM
There are about 47 million people with no health insurance. Claim: Many of the uninsured are not U.S. citizens. Fact: About 9.7 million of the uninsured are immigrants, both legal and illegal. The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation estimates that 5.6 million of these are undocumented, but there are no hard data on that – NIHCM stresses that "the CPS does not collect information on legal status among non-citizens." Immigrants, especially new immigrants, are more likely to be uninsured than citizens. They are also less likely than citizens to use expensive emergency care, according to research from the Kaiser Family Foundation. http://www.factcheck.org/politics/the_real_uninsured.html

Quietman_2009 Joined Wed 07/29/09 Posts: 7430	Sun 08/02/09 10:06 AM
There are about 47 million people with no health insurance. Claim: Many of the uninsured are not U.S. citizens. Fact: About 9.7 million of the uninsured are immigrants, both legal and illegal. The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation estimates that 5.6 million of these are undocumented, but there are no hard data on that – NIHCM stresses that "the CPS does not collect information on legal status among non-citizens." Immigrants, especially new immigrants, are more likely to be uninsured than citizens. They are also less likely than citizens to use expensive emergency care, according to research from the Kaiser Family Foundation. http://www.factcheck.org/politics/the_real_uninsured.html and I was reading the other day that about 20 million of those can afford insurance and choose not to and a recent poll said that 85% of the people were happy with their insurance coverage

boo2u Joined Mon 11/24/08 Posts: 5249	Sun 08/02/09 10:34 AM
There are about 47 million people with no health insurance. Claim: Many of the uninsured are not U.S. citizens. Fact: About 9.7 million of the uninsured are immigrants, both legal and illegal. The National Institute for Health Care Management Foundation estimates that 5.6 million of these are undocumented, but there are no hard data on that – NIHCM stresses that "the CPS does not collect information on legal status among non-citizens." Immigrants, especially new immigrants, are more likely to be uninsured than citizens. They are also less likely than citizens to use expensive emergency care, according to research from the Kaiser Family Foundation. http://www.factcheck.org/politics/the_real_uninsured.html and I was reading the other day that about 20 million of those can afford insurance and choose not to and a recent poll said that 85% of the people were happy with their insurance coverage I don't think I believe that 85 percent are happy with the coverage, but I would believe that 85 percent have no clue what they are covered for.

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sun 08/02/09 10:36 AM Edited by TJN on Sun 08/02/09 10:38 AM
Us population = 304 million uninsured = 47 million About 15% uninsured take out immigrants who are uninsured = 10 million that leaves 37 million about 12% uninsured Take out the 20 million who choose not to have insurance = 17 million about 5% uninsured For the price tag if they even know what it is, It would probably be cheaper to just pay for the insurance of the 5% that can't afford it. Instead of trying to redo the whole system.

boo2u Joined Mon 11/24/08 Posts: 5249	Sun 08/02/09 10:40 AM
I say we just start killing off the people we don't like. Oh wait, we'd all be gone and not need insurance.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Sun 08/02/09 10:41 AM
Us population = 304 million uninsured = 47 million About 15% uninsured take out immigrants who are uninsured = 10 million that leaves 37 million about 12% uninsured Take out the 20 million who choose not to have insurance = 17 million about 5% uninsured For the price tag if they even know what it is, It would probably be cheaper to just pay for the insurance of the 5% that can't afford it. Instead of trying to redo the whole system. 47 million still equals 47 million.

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sun 08/02/09 10:50 AM
Us population = 304 million uninsured = 47 million About 15% uninsured take out immigrants who are uninsured = 10 million that leaves 37 million about 12% uninsured Take out the 20 million who choose not to have insurance = 17 million about 5% uninsured For the price tag if they even know what it is, It would probably be cheaper to just pay for the insurance of the 5% that can't afford it. Instead of trying to redo the whole system. 47 million still equals 47 million. So we will force those who choose not to get insurance to have it. So much for the land of the free!!!!

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Sun 08/02/09 11:17 AM
Us population = 304 million uninsured = 47 million About 15% uninsured take out immigrants who are uninsured = 10 million that leaves 37 million about 12% uninsured Take out the 20 million who choose not to have insurance = 17 million about 5% uninsured For the price tag if they even know what it is, It would probably be cheaper to just pay for the insurance of the 5% that can't afford it. Instead of trying to redo the whole system. 47 million still equals 47 million. So we will force those who choose not to get insurance to have it. So much for the land of the free!!!! I have friends that don't have insurance and it's not by choice!! Their jobs don't offer insurance. They're not poor enough to get state help and they don't have enough money to get it themselves.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sun 08/02/09 11:27 AM
Considering Pharmatutical companies and Health insurance companies have had their hand in our government for far too long maybe reversing the tides will be a good thing for the monopolies.

AndrewAV Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1186	Sun 08/02/09 12:06 PM
ok, how about this figure: $21,000 a year. That is the average cost per uninsured (man, woman, and child whether they want it or not, legal or illegal) of this program if they can keep it to $1T a year budget. That is excessive. My health insurance is not even half of that a year and I have a fantastic PPO plan with a low deductible. I'll ask this again because nobody has been able to answer it for me yet: Why should we throw this kind of money at a broken delivery system?

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Sun 08/02/09 12:08 PM
have to confess I havent been following it very close I think anything the government touches they screw up so I expect the situation will get worse I do like the part about doing away with pre-existing conditions. hopefully that will go through right about the time I get a kidney transplant and maybe I'll actually be able to get insurance I hope so for you.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Sun 08/02/09 12:09 PM
ok, how about this figure: $21,000 a year. That is the average cost per uninsured (man, woman, and child whether they want it or not, legal or illegal) of this program if they can keep it to $1T a year budget. That is excessive. My health insurance is not even half of that a year and I have a fantastic PPO plan with a low deductible. I'll ask this again because nobody has been able to answer it for me yet: Why should we throw this kind of money at a broken delivery system? Because EVERY HUMAN deserves to get medical help when they are sick...

AndrewAV Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1186	Sun 08/02/09 12:12 PM Edited by AndrewAV on Sun 08/02/09 12:14 PM
ok, how about this figure: $21,000 a year. That is the average cost per uninsured (man, woman, and child whether they want it or not, legal or illegal) of this program if they can keep it to $1T a year budget. That is excessive. My health insurance is not even half of that a year and I have a fantastic PPO plan with a low deductible. I'll ask this again because nobody has been able to answer it for me yet: Why should we throw this kind of money at a broken delivery system? Because EVERY HUMAN deserves to get medical help when they are sick... so we should pay for the world's healthcare too? After all, they're all human too. People are dying from AIDS in africa and starvation in China, maybe we should pay for all that too... and in case you didn't realize, the ER cannot turn away a person in this country. I have yet to hear an argument based in logic and reason and not pure emotion. "You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Sun 08/02/09 12:32 PM
ok, how about this figure: $21,000 a year. That is the average cost per uninsured (man, woman, and child whether they want it or not, legal or illegal) of this program if they can keep it to $1T a year budget. That is excessive. My health insurance is not even half of that a year and I have a fantastic PPO plan with a low deductible. I'll ask this again because nobody has been able to answer it for me yet: Why should we throw this kind of money at a broken delivery system? Because EVERY HUMAN deserves to get medical help when they are sick... so we should pay for the world's healthcare too? After all, they're all human too. People are dying from AIDS in africa and starvation in China, maybe we should pay for all that too... We're not talking about the world's health care. We're talking about ours.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Sun 08/02/09 12:32 PM
ok, how about this figure: $21,000 a year. That is the average cost per uninsured (man, woman, and child whether they want it or not, legal or illegal) of this program if they can keep it to $1T a year budget. That is excessive. My health insurance is not even half of that a year and I have a fantastic PPO plan with a low deductible. I'll ask this again because nobody has been able to answer it for me yet: Why should we throw this kind of money at a broken delivery system? Because EVERY HUMAN deserves to get medical help when they are sick...

AndrewAV Joined Sun 09/28/08 Posts: 1186	Sun 08/02/09 12:48 PM
ok, how about this figure: $21,000 a year. That is the average cost per uninsured (man, woman, and child whether they want it or not, legal or illegal) of this program if they can keep it to $1T a year budget. That is excessive. My health insurance is not even half of that a year and I have a fantastic PPO plan with a low deductible. I'll ask this again because nobody has been able to answer it for me yet: Why should we throw this kind of money at a broken delivery system? Because EVERY HUMAN deserves to get medical help when they are sick... so we should pay for the world's healthcare too? After all, they're all human too. People are dying from AIDS in africa and starvation in China, maybe we should pay for all that too... We're not talking about the world's health care. We're talking about ours. Why are we more special that anyone else? if we deserve all this, why do other humans have to suffer while we live in luxury?

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Sun 08/02/09 12:53 PM
ok, how about this figure: $21,000 a year. That is the average cost per uninsured (man, woman, and child whether they want it or not, legal or illegal) of this program if they can keep it to $1T a year budget. That is excessive. My health insurance is not even half of that a year and I have a fantastic PPO plan with a low deductible. I'll ask this again because nobody has been able to answer it for me yet: Why should we throw this kind of money at a broken delivery system? Because EVERY HUMAN deserves to get medical help when they are sick... so we should pay for the world's healthcare too? After all, they're all human too. People are dying from AIDS in africa and starvation in China, maybe we should pay for all that too... and in case you didn't realize, the ER cannot turn away a person in this country. I have yet to hear an argument based in logic and reason and not pure emotion. "You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else." yes, I am a beautiful, special snowflake. And at my age there may be some decay starting...it is tragic what is happening to others in this world.

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sun 08/02/09 01:44 PM
Everyone can get medical help if they need it! I haven't heard anywhrere in our constitution that having insurance is a right. It's a privlige! Who is the government to tell people how they should have to run their business?

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Mon 08/03/09 12:55 PM Edited by Drivinmenutz on Mon 08/03/09 12:56 PM
I find it sad, and mildly amusing, that few people care if healthcare reform is done right. They just want it done now. Maybe this has been our problem from the beginning. Sacrificing our future for the benefit of today. Interesting...