Topic: I Believe...
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Thu 07/30/09 09:24 PM
I believe that everybody, even the worst of souls has a redeemable quality deep in their heart.

I believe that kindness, consideration and respect are three qualities that will get us a lot further in life than most people realize. I also believe that the homeless, the elderly, the abused and the neglected deserve my respect and care. After all, that could be me.

While not religious by any means, I believe that if we all practiced a few of the 10 commandments, we might find ourselves to be better people.

I believe that while love isn’t easy, it’s one of the few things in life truly worth fighting for and that pride, smugness and judgment should never interfere with it.

I believe reality TV should be permanently removed from my cable TV.

I believe Geraldo Rivera needs to give it a rest and he can take Ann Coulter with him.

I believe that it’s not fair of me to ask someone to give or do that which Im not willing to give or do myself.

I believe that it doesn’t matter which road you’ve taken to get somewhere as long as you get there.

And I believe that the first cut is the deepest and it never stops bleeding…


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Thu 07/30/09 09:38 PM
bigsmile "I believe Geraldo Rivera needs to give it a rest and he can take Ann Coulter with him." :heart: this! especially that line :tongue:

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Thu 07/30/09 09:41 PM
The original line regarding Ann Coulter was just a bit more ... "harsh"...grin....

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Thu 07/30/09 09:54 PM
Don't hold back! :banana:

pitchfork Let it out!

rofl

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Thu 07/30/09 10:33 PM
While not religious by any means, I believe that if we all practiced a few of the 10 commandments, we might find ourselves to be better people.


Oh please! frustrated

Do you realize that the first 4 of the 10 commandments are all about religious intolerance? And the other 6 don't exactly represent the greatest wisdom either.

Please, if we're going to follow some spiritual guidelines let it be the 12 laws of Karma instead: flowerforyou


Law One: As you sow, so shall you reap.

This is also known as "The Great Law."

Law Two: You attract what you are, not what you want.

This is also known as the "Law of Creation."
(or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you)


Law Three: What you resist, persists for you.

This is also known as the "Law of Humility."


Law Four: Wherever you go, there you are.

This is also known as the "Law of Growth."
True change must begin with yourself.


Law Five: Whenever there is something wrong, there is something wrong in me.

This is also known as the "Law of Responsibility" or the "Law of Mirrors."

Law Six: Whatever you do may be insignificant, but it is still important that you do it.

This is also known as the "Law of Synchronicity" or the "Law of Ultimate Connection."

We are all connected everything you do is important to someone in some way.

Law Seven:You can't think of two things at the same time.

This is also known as the "Law of Focus." or the "Law of Intent"

Law Eight: If you believe something to be true, then sometime in life you must demonstrate that truth.

This is the "Law of Willingness."

In other words, "I will show you my faith by my works"

If one doesn't practice what one preaches, is such a person truly convicted of his or her beliefs?!

Law Nine: You can't go home again

This is also known as the "Law of Here and Now."

We cannot relive the past, but we can learn from it.

Law Ten: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This is the "Law of Change."

There may be great change all around us, yet still nothing is altered within us – it is the change that occurs within us that is crucial.

Law Eleven: When you focus on your life, good things happen.

This is also known as the "Law of Patience and Reward."

Good things are worth waiting for, and working for.

Law Twelve: What you put in, you get back.

This is similar to the First Law, " As you sow, so shall you reap", except people often take the first law to mean, good versus bad action.

Law Twelve is actually saying that it works with with intensity too. Do good things and you'll reap good things. Do lots of good things and you'll reap lots of good things.


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Fri 07/31/09 04:41 AM
Edited by wux on Fri 07/31/09 04:42 AM

While not religious by any means, I believe that if we all practiced a few of the 10 commandments, we might find ourselves to be better people.


Oh please! frustrated

Do you realize that the first 4 of the 10 commandments are all about religious intolerance? And the other 6 don't exactly represent the greatest wisdom either.

Please, if we're going to follow some spiritual guidelines let it be the 12 laws of Karma instead:


How about this: reduced to two commandments:

1. Follow your conscience and your innate sense of fairness and morals in all your dealings;

2. If you ain't got any of those, then follow those of Farrah Facett. (Or Sister Theresa, or Princess Die, or Ghandi, or Bundi, or Yogi, or of any Jedi.)

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Fri 07/31/09 06:41 AM
drinker drinker drinker drinker flowerforyou

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Fri 07/31/09 07:37 AM

While not religious by any means, I believe that if we all practiced a few of the 10 commandments, we might find ourselves to be better people.


Oh please! frustrated

Do you realize that the first 4 of the 10 commandments are all about religious intolerance? And the other 6 don't exactly represent the greatest wisdom either.

Please, if we're going to follow some spiritual guidelines let it be the 12 laws of Karma instead: flowerforyou


Law One: As you sow, so shall you reap.

This is also known as "The Great Law."

Law Two: You attract what you are, not what you want.

This is also known as the "Law of Creation."
(or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you)


Law Three: What you resist, persists for you.

This is also known as the "Law of Humility."


Law Four: Wherever you go, there you are.

This is also known as the "Law of Growth."
True change must begin with yourself.


Law Five: Whenever there is something wrong, there is something wrong in me.

This is also known as the "Law of Responsibility" or the "Law of Mirrors."

Law Six: Whatever you do may be insignificant, but it is still important that you do it.

This is also known as the "Law of Synchronicity" or the "Law of Ultimate Connection."

We are all connected everything you do is important to someone in some way.

Law Seven:You can't think of two things at the same time.

This is also known as the "Law of Focus." or the "Law of Intent"

Law Eight: If you believe something to be true, then sometime in life you must demonstrate that truth.

This is the "Law of Willingness."

In other words, "I will show you my faith by my works"

If one doesn't practice what one preaches, is such a person truly convicted of his or her beliefs?!

Law Nine: You can't go home again

This is also known as the "Law of Here and Now."

We cannot relive the past, but we can learn from it.

Law Ten: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This is the "Law of Change."

There may be great change all around us, yet still nothing is altered within us – it is the change that occurs within us that is crucial.

Law Eleven: When you focus on your life, good things happen.

This is also known as the "Law of Patience and Reward."

Good things are worth waiting for, and working for.

Law Twelve: What you put in, you get back.

This is similar to the First Law, " As you sow, so shall you reap", except people often take the first law to mean, good versus bad action.

Law Twelve is actually saying that it works with with intensity too. Do good things and you'll reap good things. Do lots of good things and you'll reap lots of good things.


laugh give it a rest :wink: give peace a chance.bigsmile

Always love your post girlie :) Fav: I believe while love isn't easy, its one of the few things worth fighting for and that pride, smugness and judgement should never interfer in it.flowers flowers

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Fri 07/31/09 02:06 PM
Edited by MsWizard on Fri 07/31/09 02:07 PM
Abra, here's an idea. You write what you like. And I'll write what I like. We all have our belief system. That's mine. You dont agree? Well, that's ok too.

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Fri 07/31/09 02:32 PM
Sorry, I thought you said you were't religious so I thought you were just shooting in the dark. Non-religous people often point to the ten commandments not realizing that they represent religious intolerance and don't even convey the teachings of Jesus. The 12 laws of Karma are actually more in line with the teachings of Jesus.

I was just trying to help. flowers

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Fri 07/31/09 07:47 PM
Edited by wux on Fri 07/31/09 07:52 PM
While not religious by any means, I believe that if we all practiced a few of the 10 commandments, we might find ourselves to be better people.


Oh please! frustrated

Do you realize that the first 4 of the 10 commandments are all about religious intolerance? And the other 6 don't exactly represent the greatest wisdom either.

Please, if we're going to follow some spiritual guidelines let it be the 12 laws of Karma instead: flowerforyou


Law One: As you sow, so shall you reap.

Law 1 has been over and over disproven by actual events. What did the 15 million victims of the south Asian tsunami sow to reap death, misery, and loss of their everything?

This is also known as "The Great Law."

Law Two: You attract what you are, not what you want.

Law 2 would be more believable if you said, "You attract with what you are, not what you want." To call the original wording of Law 2 a law of creation is a huge non-sequitur.

This is also known as the "Law of Creation."

(or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you")

Law Three: What you resist, persists for you.

how would you explain with Law 3: "I resist being slim"? if uttered by a fat person?

This is also known as the "Law of Humility."


Law Four: Wherever you go, there you are.

Law 4 is a tautology, no meaning could ever be extrapolated from this law, like from all other tautologies. Not growth, absolutely. How do you go to "true change must begin with itself" from Law 4?

This is also known as the "Law of Growth."
True change must begin with yourself.


Law Five: Whenever there is something wrong, there is something wrong in me.

Law 5 is the first one I could call deep; but instead of a self-depracating, self-blaming, self-guilt producing interpretation, I'd say it really says that what's in me is my set of expectations of what I think is "not wrong" and therefore to see the "good" in "wrong" I must re-examine my set of inner expectations. The author's interpretation would only hold if Law 5 ended with "...wrong with me" instead of the standing "...wrong in me".

This is also known as the "Law of Responsibility" or the "Law of Mirrors."

Law Six: Whatever you do may be insignificant, but it is still important that you do it.

But if I decide to not do it and do something else instead... which is the more important thing to do? If it's always the one thing that I wind up doing eventually which is the most important thing to do, then what's the point of Law 6?

This is also known as the "Law of Synchronicity" or the "Law of Ultimate Connection."

We are all connected everything you do is important to someone in some way.

Law Seven:You can't think of two things at the same time.

Can I think of my children? Can I think of my lover's face? She's got two eyes. I am not allowed to think of both her eyes at the same time? What is Law 7 actually saying?

This is also known as the "Law of Focus." or the "Law of Intent"

Law Eight: If you believe something to be true, then sometime in life you must demonstrate that truth.

Wow. "If I held the President of the United States under water for ten minutes, he would surely die." Why is it so very important to demonstate this? Would I not get hanged? Or something. Law 8: discard.
This is the "Law of Willingness."

In other words, "I will show you my faith by my works"

If one doesn't practice what one preaches, is such a person truly convicted of his or her beliefs?!

Law Nine: You can't go home again

You are making me sarcastic now. I apologize. But I can't resist: "A nation on the move." What did Adam do, when he built his first hut after being sent from the Garden of Eden? He built a new house every time he wanted to go home? What about the billions of people who return to their homes each day? What about the billions of times that all people returned to their hometown or country of origin? Are those homes chopped liver? Law 9: Cannot be validated.

This is also known as the "Law of Here and Now."

The law of "Here and Now" is actually "no matter where you go, there you are", I think.

We cannot relive the past, but we can learn from it.

Law Ten: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This is the "Law of Change."

There may be great change all around us, yet still nothing is altered within us – it is the change that occurs within us that is crucial.

My interpretation of Law 10 would be that the changes in the world -- technological, political, economic -- does not affect human nature and the societal pecking order and other social arrangements that are inherent to humans in groups. As such, "change that occurs within us that is crucial" is not going to happen if "us" is the human race. If "us" is a reference to the individual within us each, then the explanation is a non-sequitur.

Law Eleven: When you focus on your life, good things happen.

Law 10 has been invalidated by billions and billions of torture victims and child deaths and disease-ridden people and generally, all who died in the world throughout history.

This is also known as the "Law of Patience and Reward."

Good things are worth waiting for, and working for.

Law Twelve: What you put in, you get back.

Sometimes. "Sometimes" does not a law make. A law is infallible, a law by definition must always be true without exception. Law 12 is not a law, though it may be correct in identifying some situations.

This is similar to the First Law, " As you sow, so shall you reap", except people often take the first law to mean, good versus bad action.

Law Twelve is actually saying that it works with with intensity too. Do good things and you'll reap good things. Do lots of good things and you'll reap lots of good things.

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Fri 07/31/09 08:52 PM
A law is infallible, a law by definition must always be true without exception.


These are spiritual laws, not laws of physics.

They should be taken in the spirit of spiritual parables.

You could cut up the Ten Commandments just as easily by accepting them as absolutes.

One of the Ten Commandments tells us to honor our mother and father for example. Well, what if your father wants to have sex with you, or your mother asks you to become a prostitute to make money so she can buy heroin. What do you do then?

All spriritual "laws" crash as some point.

I would be the first to agree that it's wrong to call them 'laws'.

Perhaps they should simply be thought of as positive inspirational guidelines. :wink:

Religions usual end up causing more havoc than anything anyway.

We'd probably be better off without any religion at all to be perfectly honest about it. flowerforyou




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Fri 07/31/09 11:34 PM
Truth is Im NOT religious, but good sense no matter where you find it is still good sense. If you take each commandment individually, while pretty simplistic, they cut thru the chase. Treat others as you would be treated, though shalt not steal or lie, etc etc etc. Seriously, think about it. Humanity as a whole has completely convuluted the issue. In short, we make life far harder on ourselves than we need to because we can't accept that sometimes simpler doesn't always mean second rate.....

It's ok, I wasn't offended Abra, I was just stating that we both are entitled to what ever belief system we utilize is ideal as long as it works for us, yes? flowerforyou

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Fri 07/31/09 11:59 PM
Edited by wux on Sat 08/01/09 12:15 AM

A law is infallible, a law by definition must always be true without exception.


These are spiritual laws, not laws of physics.

They should be taken in the spirit of spiritual parables.

You could cut up the Ten Commandments just as easily by accepting them as absolutes.

One of the Ten Commandments tells us to honor our mother and father for example. Well, what if your father wants to have sex with you, or your mother asks you to become a prostitute to make money so she can buy heroin. What do you do then?

All spriritual "laws" crash as some point.

I would be the first to agree that it's wrong to call them 'laws'.

Perhaps they should simply be thought of as positive inspirational guidelines. :wink:

Religions usual end up causing more havoc than anything anyway.

We'd probably be better off without any religion at all to be perfectly honest about it. flowerforyou



You're right, Abra, spiritual guidelines are not carved in stone. A singlular exception is the Ten Commandmends, but those are old skool guidelines, so they can be easily discounted. I wouldn't trust anything these days under 8 GB.

I'll be the first one to second your agreement that it is wrong to call them laws. This follow-up post of yours is pretty smart, much better than the Karma one, which, frankly, I found a bit dogmatic.

I would just add that if all people on Earth would have one religion, the same religion by everyone, it would be good too. Much like having no religion, like you said would be good, is like having the one and same religious views by everyone (i.e. the religious views of unanimously rejecting religion.) -------------- I thought about this a bit, and realized that all people think it, even those couplets of people who share different religions. They, too, strongly believe that the whole world should follow the one and the same relgion -- the very same one that they follow.

Wouldn't it be nice to know that people started wars and stuff, and both parties in the war, the enemies of each other, wanted to achieve the one and same goal?

Then why go to war?

(My mother used to say to me, "Andrew, my son, always remember that it's much better to go to war than to already be there.")

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Sat 08/01/09 07:33 AM
i believe that philosophy and religion are our attempts to understand ourselves and to try to answer the question "what is good?" or "what is virtuous?" and ultimately to seek an answer to the question "how should we best spend our time?"

i do not believe that there is a unique answer to these questions.

i believe that they are the most important questions.

i believe that that's about it....

laugh waving :heart:

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Sat 08/01/09 01:29 PM
I enjoyed the write, as I enjoy the right to believe or disbelieve.