Some things and read some things about structures on the Moon and Mars.

What do you guys think?

Where did you hear these things? Perhaps the source might give you a clue about their crediblity?

I believe that are thing that we do not yet understand, but I do not believe much of the stuff written about structures on the moon and Mars. The Canals on Mars were flaws in the glass of the early telescopes.

Richard C. Hoagland is a former museum space science Curator; a former NASA Consultant; and, during the historic Apollo Missions to the Moon, was science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS News. In the mid-1960's, at the age of 19 (possibly "the youngest museum curator in the country at the time"), Hoagland created his first elaborate commemorative event -- around NASA's first historic unmanned fly-by of the planet Mars, Mariner 4. A simultaneous all-night, transcontinental radio program the evening of the Encounter (linking the museum in Springfield, Mass., and NASA's JPL control center, in Pasadena, Ca.), co-produced by Hoagland and WTIC-Radio, in Hartford, Ct., was subsequently nominated for a Peabody Award, one of journalism's most prestigious.

In the early 1970's, Hoagland proposed to Carl Sagan (along with Eric Burgess) the placement of a "message to Mankind" aboard Pioneer 10 -- humanity's "first unmanned probe of Jupiter"; subsequent to its 1973 Jovian Encounter, celestial mechanics resulted in Pioneer 10 becoming the first artifact to successfully escape the solar system into the vast Galaxy beyond -- carrying "the Plaque" -- whose origins were officially acknowledged by Sagan in the prestigious journal, SCIENCE (175 [1972], 881).

In the early 1980's, based on NASA data from the more sophisticated unmanned Voyager fly-bys of the outer planets, Hoagland became the first to propose (in a widely-quoted series of UPI and AP stories on his startling paper, published in 1980 in Star & Sky magazine) the possible existence of "deep ocean life" under the global ice shield perpetually surrounding the enigmatic moon of Jupiter, Europa. At the time, most (though not all) NASA scientists instantly derided this idea; two outstanding dissenters from the unfortunately then-common NASA view were Director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, Dr. Robert Jastrow, and well-known science writer and visionary, Arthur C. Clarke. In the sequel to his outstanding epic "2001" ("2010: Odyssey Two"), built entirely around this extraordinary concept of "eon-old life in the ice-covered oceans of Europa," Clarke wrote:

"The fascinating idea that there might be life on Europa . . . was first proposed by Richard C. Hoagland [in a 30-page article] in the magazine Star & Sky... This quite brilliant concept has been taken seriously by a number of astronomers (notably NASA's Institute for Space Studies, Dr. Robert Jastrow), and may provide one of the best motives for the projected GALILEO Mission."

Remarkably, before recent NASA press conferences and television documentaries, celebrating the successfully GALILEO probe of Jupiter's atmosphere, December 7, 1995, NASA scientists' "belated" acceptance of the startling possibility of "life in Europa's oceans" has been widely presented and discussed. As is GALILEO's potential acquisition of new data from its upcoming Europa fly-bys which could lead to actual confirmation (!) of the "Hoagland model." Curiously, despite clearly prior publication and detailed elaboration of the concept, Hoagland's name is not being mentioned anywhere by NASA, or by current GALILEO scientists, in connection with "Europa"...

In the early 1990's Mr. Hoagland led a team of volunteers and consultants in the creation of a pioneering "space-age" inner-city educational effort at Dunbar Senior High, just off Capitol Hill, in Washington D.C. The experiment was built around the concept of "student involvement in real time' mission planning and data acquisition" during various NASA planetary exploration missions, such as "Hubble" and the ill-fated "Mars Observer." Starting as an after school extracurricular activity, and using donated state-of-the-art computer imaging equipment and enhancement algorithms, "The Enterprise Mission" and "becoming a crew member of the 'U.S.S. Dunbar'" eventually became an accredited course in the Dunbar school curriculum. Over the years, scores of senior NASA Headquarters and Goddard Space Flight Center personnel have enthusiastically participated in the project, including installation of a student satellite data link direct to NASA and on-site briefing of students on many current NASA projects. Education advocate, then First Lady Barbara Bush, personally came to Dunbar early in the project, for a personal briefing by the students; this -- the original "ENTERPRISE Mission" -- was ultimately nominated for a White House "Point of Light" award.

For the last 13 years, since 1983, Hoagland has been leading an outside scientific Team in a critically acclaimed independent analysis of possible intelligently-designed artifacts on NASA (and other) data sets -- beginning with the unmanned NASA VIKING mission to Mars in 1976, and its provocative images of a region called "Cydonia." Hoagland and his Team have been invited at least four times to various NASA Centers since 1988, to brief thousands of NASA scientists and engineers on the results of their on-going "Cydonia investigation." In 1989, Hoagland and his colleagues briefed then-Chairman of the House Committee on Space Science and Applications, Representative Robert Roe, on the status of their "Mars Investigation." Chairman Roe, before his sudden and unexplained resignation from the Congress, directed NASA to acquire better images from Mars during its then-upcoming "Mars Observer mission"; Mars Observer's equally sudden and tragic disappearance in 1993 precluded any new data relating to "Cydonia." In 1993, Hoagland was awarded the International Angstrom Medal for Excellence in Science by the Angstrom Foundation, in Stockholm, Sweden, for that continuing research. In the last 4 years, he and his Team's investigations have been quietly extended to include over 30 years of previously hidden data from NASA, Soviet, and Pentagon missions to the Moon -- with startling results.

Have to prove it to me.

there must be a reason they quit going to the moon

when was the last ime the u s got their clutches on a piece of real estate and let it go peacefully

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

Sounds to me, like he's fishing for all sorts of possiblities. That's almost like prophesy. Guess at enough things and some of them might actually come true.

To your original post, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of finding structures on the moon or Mars. But I would highly question any claims that they've already been found and confirmed to actually be structures. Unless NASA themselves are making the claim.

I personally believe that if NASA had sufficient data to make such a confirmation they'd be screaming about it to the media and popping bottles of Champange.

So Hoagland's views sounds to me merely like wishful thinking. Not unlike Percival Lowell's Canals on Mars like Moondark mentioned. Could it have been true? Sure. But it turned out not to be.

I personally hope that Hoagland is right about life on Europa. I think that would be great. I'd still say that it was just a lucky guess on his part if it turns out to be true.

I also think it would be great if we find any structures in the solar system that are signs of ancient civilizations, etc. I think our best bet for that would indeed be on Mars. But it doesn't appear to be very likely at this point. But then again, Mars is a big planet and we've only sent a few tiny probes. So who knows what future missions might uncover?

I personally feel that life evolves easily in this universe. Although, based on life on earth, it appears to be quite rare for creatures to evolve to a technological level. But obviously it's not impossible, we're here!

So clearly it's possible that life exists elsewhere, and that ancient civilizations could have existed on Mars. Or that aliens have visited our solar system in the distant past and left some trash. All those things are possible. But as of yet I don't think we have sufficient evidence to confirm any of those ideas. They all exist as possiblities though.

That's my thoughts.

The high resolution photo's taken within the last year have debunked all the ones I know of . . . perhaps you can give us some examples and then I can go from there.

It certainly is possible, but what evidence exists for such a thing is in question. I would think it would be a big deal . . .

Edit: yea read your examples those are all old, I am not sure if all have been captured via the high res photo's but some have.

The face like "structure" was recaptured with high res and as per peradoila is nothing but the human mind seeing faces in shadows of mountains.

I have started to think it may be possible