Topic: Is there a truely ethical religion?
Redykeulous's photo
Sun 06/28/09 03:01 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Sun 06/28/09 03:01 PM
Read the following definiations then answer the questions at the end.

What is Ethics?

Ethics is a philosophy which predominantly focuses on human beings and moral aspects of what is right and wrong or good and bad. The philosophy of ethics is to question and evaluate moral standards concerning the basic needs and legitimate expectations of others as well as our own.

What are “basic needs”?

Basic needs are whatever is required to sustain life such as food, clean water, protection from the elements and access to basic medical care, and freedom to develop internal potential and a welcoming environment in which to externalize that potential, fulfilling the basic need to find purpose.

What are “legitimate expectations”?

Legitimate expectations are based on the ethical principle that all humans are, by their intrinsic nature, equal to one another. To be human legitimizes the individuals’ claim to be respected by others, have the unhindered right to the pursuit of livelihood and to freely believe, think, and speak without fearing others, while striving for fulfillment and happiness. However, equality signifies a two-sided equation and individuals are not free of responsibility to ensure his or her behavior does not impede or infringe on the same, equal, legitimate expectations of others.

Now that you have the basics of ethics—
1. Do you agree with the definitions?
2. If you don't agree explain why?
3. Can anyone think of any single religion whose moral values would
fulfill all the ethical requirements for all humanity?





MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 06/28/09 03:28 PM
:smile: The Church of Scientology:smile:

darkowl1's photo
Sun 06/28/09 03:32 PM
Edited by darkowl1 on Sun 06/28/09 03:36 PM
not laughing at you, but the church's ethics.....


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh indifferent indifferent no.


too much pomp and ceremony.....and conformity......for ethics

the spirituality of your heart is where the true creator is. lest if you were out in the wilderness, and no church....it makes no difference, for it's your faith and love for the truth and love for your universe that really matters, not some fool telling you to put money in a dAmn plate...good luck on your search....this is just my thinking, and i could be wrong.......:wink:

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Sun 06/28/09 10:24 PM

Read the following definiations then answer the questions at the end.

What is Ethics?

Ethics is a philosophy which predominantly focuses on human beings and moral aspects of what is right and wrong or good and bad. The philosophy of ethics is to question and evaluate moral standards concerning the basic needs and legitimate expectations of others as well as our own.

What are “basic needs”?

Basic needs are whatever is required to sustain life such as food, clean water, protection from the elements and access to basic medical care, and freedom to develop internal potential and a welcoming environment in which to externalize that potential, fulfilling the basic need to find purpose.

What are “legitimate expectations”?

Legitimate expectations are based on the ethical principle that all humans are, by their intrinsic nature, equal to one another. To be human legitimizes the individuals’ claim to be respected by others, have the unhindered right to the pursuit of livelihood and to freely believe, think, and speak without fearing others, while striving for fulfillment and happiness. However, equality signifies a two-sided equation and individuals are not free of responsibility to ensure his or her behavior does not impede or infringe on the same, equal, legitimate expectations of others.

Now that you have the basics of ethics—
1. Do you agree with the definitions?
2. If you don't agree explain why?
3. Can anyone think of any single religion whose moral values would
fulfill all the ethical requirements for all humanity?


Yes I absolutely agree and no there is not single religion whose moral values would fullfill all the ethical requirements.

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Sun 06/28/09 10:26 PM
they all point the same direction

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 06/28/09 10:30 PM


Read the following definiations then answer the questions at the end.

What is Ethics?

Ethics is a philosophy which predominantly focuses on human beings and moral aspects of what is right and wrong or good and bad. The philosophy of ethics is to question and evaluate moral standards concerning the basic needs and legitimate expectations of others as well as our own.

What are “basic needs”?

Basic needs are whatever is required to sustain life such as food, clean water, protection from the elements and access to basic medical care, and freedom to develop internal potential and a welcoming environment in which to externalize that potential, fulfilling the basic need to find purpose.

What are “legitimate expectations”?

Legitimate expectations are based on the ethical principle that all humans are, by their intrinsic nature, equal to one another. To be human legitimizes the individuals’ claim to be respected by others, have the unhindered right to the pursuit of livelihood and to freely believe, think, and speak without fearing others, while striving for fulfillment and happiness. However, equality signifies a two-sided equation and individuals are not free of responsibility to ensure his or her behavior does not impede or infringe on the same, equal, legitimate expectations of others.

Now that you have the basics of ethics—
1. Do you agree with the definitions?
2. If you don't agree explain why?
3. Can anyone think of any single religion whose moral values would
fulfill all the ethical requirements for all humanity?


Yes I absolutely agree and no there is not single religion whose moral values would fullfill all the ethical requirements.



:smile: Except Scientology:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 06/28/09 10:36 PM



flowerforyou This book can answer your questions Redykeulousflowerforyou

SkyHook5652's photo
Wed 07/01/09 11:56 AM

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/MirrorMirror2009/Dianetics.jpgflowerforyou This book can answer your questions Redykeulousflowerforyou

If I may correct a possible misunderstanding...

Dianetics and Scientology are two completely different subjects.

Dianetics is a science of the mind.

Scientology is a religion.

Reading Dianetis will not answer any questions about scientology, since Scientology did not even exist when Dianetics was written.

If you want to read something about Scientology, try "Scientology: A New Slant on Life".

SkyHook5652's photo
Wed 07/01/09 01:22 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Wed 07/01/09 01:41 PM

Read the following definitions then answer the questions at the end.

What is Ethics?

Ethics is a philosophy which predominantly focuses on human beings and moral aspects of what is right and wrong or good and bad. The philosophy of ethics is to question and evaluate moral standards concerning the basic needs and legitimate expectations of others as well as our own.


What are “basic needs”?

Basic needs are whatever is required to sustain life such as food, clean water, protection from the elements and access to basic medical care, and freedom to develop internal potential and a welcoming environment in which to externalize that potential, fulfilling the basic need to find purpose.

What are “legitimate expectations”?

Legitimate expectations are based on the ethical principle that all humans are, by their intrinsic nature, equal to one another. To be human legitimizes the individuals’ claim to be respected by others, have the unhindered right to the pursuit of livelihood and to freely believe, think, and speak without fearing others, while striving for fulfillment and happiness. However, equality signifies a two-sided equation and individuals are not free of responsibility to ensure his or her behavior does not impede or infringe on the same, equal, legitimate expectations of others.

Now that you have the basics of ethics—
1. Do you agree with the definitions?
2. If you don't agree explain why?
3. Can anyone think of any single religion whose moral values would
fulfill all the ethical requirements for all humanity?


I would have to (sort of) agree with Mirror here. But I would say just "Scientology" (as a subject) not "The Church of Scientology" (as an organization) - two entirely different things.

With the proviso that the definitions are slightly different, I know of no subject – religious, philosophical, scientific, or otherwise – that would fulfill the “ethical requirements for all humanity” better than Scientology.

Now again, just to be clear, I’m referring to the subject of Scientology – i.e. the actual writings of Hubbard – not the actions or opinions of the organization or any of it’s members, or the rumors and/or falsehoods fostered by those who are ignorant on the subject.

Personally, I find Hubbard’s definitions [of “Morals” and “Ethics”] much more precise and (more importantly) workable. The key factor (for me) being that there is a very clear and definite differentiation between ”Ethics” and “Morals” (unlike with the above definitions, as well as most dictionaries, which define each in terms of the other.)

I could quote the definitions verbatim, but it would be confusing to most because of the specialized terminology used in the formal definitions. So I will paraphrase…

Ethics: The personal choices one makes (and the methodology used in making them) regarding the health and wellbeing of oneself and one’s “symbiotes”. “Symbiotes” would include such things as the one’s body, one’s personal possessions, one’s family, any and all groups one might belong to, the human race as a whole, the environment, etc. Basically anything that contributes (or should) to one’s health and wellbeing.

Morals: Agreed upon rules of conduct.

So in this sense, one chooses which rules of conduct one wishes to agree to. The choice is (ideally) made based on an evaluation of how the chosen rules will affect the health and wellbeing of oneself and all of one’s symbiotes.

That is just my interpretation of Hubbard’s writings though. For anyone who is interested in finding out and interpreting for themselves, Hubbard wrote an entire book on the subject: “An Introduction to Scientology Ethics”.