Hey we have a got a trillon dollar dept got to pay for it some how. As much as I hate to say it good or bad we need change. $4 a gallon gas has runed this country. It crippled bunesses,distroyed jobs, killed home values, and made the cost of food skyrocket. I never used to worry about comeing up with money to put gas in my car, or paying for food. I had a good job with good pay. Now I have to plan a month a head and make as much as I did in high school. Yes it won't be a cheap as oil, nothing will. But becouse of oil being in the hands of anti American countrys, they will keep cutting production to jack up the price and keep us down. America needs to be weened off oil to surive, if this dose it so be it. Like it or not America is going green. General motors and Crysler went bankrupt to start making new eletric cars. Wait and see America will emerage from this depression on a new source of energy.

Climate change people always make me laugh. The only way we're going to get away from oil is two scenarios, oil runs out or gets too expensive to use. And then there will be cause to change, but until then, they should let the market decide what's good for the US, not a law that taxes an already struggle economy. If renewable energy was viable and cost effective, you'd see every energy company in the WHOLE country start to make the switch, but besides dams and nuclear energy, there is no other source that's cost effective. And all the dams that can be built, already are just about and because of eco-friendly terrorists, we can't build anymore nuclear power plants. So if you want to pay higher taxes now on dreams of a better society in 10 years, you're delusional. We're about 30 years out at least to find a mostly renewable, cost effective, efficient, and pollution free sources of energy. This bill plans on taxing the hell outta people for just using energy and has no concrete source of where those taxes will go, besides hand outs and bureaucratic BS. But anyway, doesn't matter what we think, because Obama has a dream, and it doesn't include a strong, employed, or safe America.

In the past people would laugh if you joked about government taxing the air we breathe.... that's what cap and trade is! If it uses energy, it's taxed.... you use energy to breathe, you exhale carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas.

They are taxing cow farts and burps, and manuer piles they use for fertilizer, on farmers!

Are we still laughing?

They did about water too (until it was made unfit to drink) and cha-ching.....bottled water... but you still pay for tap water too!!

The cap and trade bill that is being rushed through the House this week can be boiled down to three essential elements:

A massive increase in Federal Bureaucracy.

A forced increase in the cost of hydrocarbon fuels, via scarcity and rationing created by bureaucratic fiat.

An assumption, adopted by these same bureaucrats, that reduced consumption of hydrocarbon fuels will save the planet.

What the bureacrats and politicians ignore, however, are the unintended consequences of this bill, which are many:

1. The potential for corruption, as those who depend on hydrocarbon fuels lobby politicians in order to be exempt from rationing or to increase their permit allocations.

2. The potential for inefficiency, as politicians and bureaucrats make faulty assumptions about who should be granted exemptions or more permits.

3. The likelihood that reduced hyrdocarbon fuel use in the U.S. might result in even greater carbon emissions in countries that don't artificially raise the price of hydrocarbon fuels (because their energy costs would be lower and their use of fuel is not as efficient as ours).

4. The likelihood that the U.S. would lose jobs as energy-intensive industries relocated to countries that have cheaper fuel costs.

5. The likelihood that whatever reductions in carbon emissions might eventually result from this monstrous apparatus might make no difference whatsoever to the global climate.

6. The likelihood that voters (especially those in colder climates who consume more energy than those in temperate climates) might be very upset when their fuel bills escalate. (I'm sure that readers will be able to supply many more unintended consequences.)

All of this cost, and all of this effort, for something that has an extremely small probability of bringing benefits to anyone except those who will be running the program. Are our Congresscritters nuts or what?

further death the the u s a

this will push even more jobs out of the country

and then they will import the products

with no tax of course because of free trade agreements

which are totally unconstitutional

as the fed govt is supposed to support its self on excise and tariff taxes

not income tax

but hey

what do i know

Just think, China has zero emission laws and are going to surpass the US in oil consumption in the next few years. Never thought of the US outsourcing to China, but its gonna happen. Thus EVERYthing will come from China, well, maybe not good HD TVs and high end electronics, but damn near everything else.

from what I understand it's cheaper to import than get it here...like oil

Well true, but the same eco-friendly terrorists have made it impossible to drill for oil here, to help push us along to being less dependent, but that's never brought up. Its all about how evil oil is.

true...but look at the oil in Texas and Alaska....would it not create more jobs and not be dependant on foreign oil?

it has been for some time

but the brits lease ran out

so now all from there is now from china

The transfer of sovereignty of Hong Kong from the United Kingdom to the People's Republic of China, often referred to as the Handover, took place on 1 July 1997. The event marked the end of British rule, and the transfer of sovereignty of Hong Kong back to Chinese rule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_the_sovereignty_of_Hong_Kong

Exactly, but they don't want dependency free oil, they just don't want oil used at all. They don't care about what happens to the economy or anything. Which is kinda amusing, cause most of the eco-friendly terrorists have private jets to wisk them around, but they don't count those as evil emissions.

Gumby...how is it possible to do away with oil?

As of right now, it isn't. But that's exactly what they want to do. The problem is, oil is still so cheap, there is no incentive to switch to anything else. But taxing the air we breathe isn't going to change anything in short or long term.

Clean Energy is the Future....better start getting used to the idea.

I guess I'm not green lol because for the life of me...I can't see doing away with oil

Yea nuclear energy is the future, but the eco-friendly terrorists stopped that. Nuclear energy is about the most efficient form of energy out there and is a great source of energy to bridge the gap between gas/oil and renewable. But that options isn't even considered, but taxing the air we breathe isn't the answer.

hon...they tax everything else...why not the air we breathe

The same thinking was applied to coal about 100 years ago, but the internal combustion engine and oil changed all that. But as of right now, there is NOTHING in production or even on paper that will change power output to be more efficient and less polluting than what we have now. This tax is kinda like saying, hey, you're alive, gimme 10% of your paycheck. Oh wait, you live in a state where its brutally cold in the winter, better make that 15%. Its just ridiculous, but this is what everyone voted for, which is sad.