Life is what you make of it. Yes it may be. However we all walk around daily and wonder why we cant get along with the people we meet. I am showing you why as we speak. It is because no one is subtle any more and everyone assumes that we mean one thing. The art of expression is meaningless and has no true queen. We all roam day to day wondering, "What, oh what did he or she say?" All of us want answers with no clue yet we all pray. My answer to this, is as simple as three letters. We all need to remember that honesty has no definition. We render its condition. Unfortunately in today's society we all expect so much that we have no sense of the subtle. Because life is out of touch.








And that, is creative writing. In whatever sense "Mingle" wanted us to use this forum for unless we were writing poetry.

My answer to the question was "spoken" but not written-- hence creative writing.

Oh how I wish more people thought like you. Life would be so much better if individuals practiced the art of subtlety.

Everything has to be so blatent and "in your face" these days...no sense of flirtation, fun, or anticipation. SIGH...I miss the simple life!

It's because I am Cyberdyne model 101, the T-800. I cannot express my feelings, because I am a robot... a terminator...

This was your definition of "creative writing"? Ok.

the dirty dogs of Akron are everywhere
I see them everywhere
in movies
in other cities of the world
but I've seen the whores of
Hamburg only once

they stand like eternal beings
waiting

of course
they are not eternal

and they were standing in the rain
the whores of Hamburg were standing in the
rain
waiting
to feed upon that thing in man
which is not quite satisfied with
anything
waiting
for men who are lookin for
what has been lost
having a woman without pain
for either the man or the woman

the whores of Hamburg
leaning against the fenders of
parked cars
in the rain
were a symphony to me~
from a distance
closer up I knew there woulod be
trouble and terrible failure
if not pain

and there they stood
in bad weather
lines of them waiting

the dirty dogs of Akron are
everywhere

but the whores of Hamburg were
beautiful
that day


charles bukowski

Now THAT is creative writing.

Life is what you make of it.
Yes it may be.
However we all walk around daily
and wonder why we cant get along
with the people we meet.

I am showing you why as we speak.
It is because no one is subtle any more
and everyone assumes that we mean one thing.

The art of expression is meaningless and has no true queen.
We all roam day to day wondering, "What, oh what did he or she say?" All of us want answers with no clue yet we all pray.
My answer to this, is as simple as three letters.

We all need to remember that honesty has no definition.
We render its condition.
Unfortunately in today's society we all expect so much that we have no sense of the subtle.
Because life is out of touch.
--------



is that better for ya?

is it creative writing now?

got this from wikipedia:

Henry Charles Bukowski, was a German American poet, novelist, and short story writer. Bukowski's writing was heavily influenced by the geography and atmosphere of his home city of Los Angeles, and is marked by an emphasis on...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bukowski - 76k - Cached




soooo--was your excerpt a poem? novel? or a short story?

hmmmm


the community is called "poems & creative writing" though? like two seperate things......see my point?

Creative writing can be a rant or a ramble. Journal entry style I call it. Does it make people react? Does it make people stop and think? Is it reflective of your thoughts and cause others to stop and reflect too. The form can be rough and rambling or spit and polished til it glows - if it touches somebody somewhere and causes some kind of response something has indeed been created.

totally agree with you....

"Subtle" can be good in the right circumstances...I suppose it would depend on anyone's intentions behind subtlety, yet, subtle can also be a form of anger or passive aggressiveness, if someone is unable to be direct in an open/honest humane way.

If subtle is the "answer," than how can people truly know what is being communicated? People can be direct without "getting up in someone's face," in a manner of speaking.

A couple definitions of "Subtle" ...

..."Faint and difficult to analyze"

..."Working or spreading in a hidden and usually injurious way"



I am somewhat confused as to why subtle seems to "trump" direct...
It seems that direct is more honest, and can always be communicated in a healthy way if one has healthy communication skills.

I am trying to understand your write, your communication....not criticize it.

the answer is not subtle nor subtlty

the answer is three letters..... and it has 2 vowels in it

Well, I guess the "answer" here won't be directness

guess i thought i made it clear...sorry

ill work on that i guess


the point of my write was talking about lying....how people need to use subtlty to lie better, yet we dont.

people now days lie about stupid things and then the big ones they lie about "point blank" and its obvious

what i meant with the whole subtlty thing was that they need to "lie" better, by being more subtle

so the answer is three letters....lie

I think you failed to see mine. That's ok. It's all good.

why dont ya tell me your point instead of laughing at something that isnt funny, like me not being direct with what i was saying, when pretty sure i explained what i meant right after

One more...

The answer to my initial post...

was 'LIE'



wow..I was something else back then...what happened to me?!

I gotta get that back!


When I read it, I knew what I was talkin about!

Oh yes!!

Hit the nail on the head!!

This I know for a fact!

Wonderfuly said

I wanted to stand up an cheer after reading this...

Hey there, I hear your message. It's like I told smiles, there are no SET rules for style and creativity, you put out what is you. And the forum does say "Poetry AND Creative Writing". That was as subtle as a piano on the head, but there ya go!