Very good point!

Just to clarify, I believe the original post was discussing a particular theory for explaining gravity, not gravities mere existence.

Another very good point! Aren't I diplomatic?

Eljay you are an evolution Denier, Ive spent far too many hours explaining things to you to rehash it now.

However my statement is CORRECT. You are wrong. Evolution as a theory has far more testable facets then does gravity as a theory.

Correct!

Perhaps this is the case. But the post I responded to did not adress the evidence for the "origin" of gravity. Gravity is a scientific fact - a hard and true theory. The claim was that thee is more Evidence for evolution than gravity. Ludicrous. There's nohing subjective about gravity.

I'm not an "evolution denier" - I just don't see there being enough "facts" to support the conjectures. From the presumption of dating (a scientific contradiction in and of itself) to the lack of ANY success in the laboratory to substanciate the suppositions.

For instance. In the original post - I don't disagree that an extremely old, unique fossel was discovered shedding light on perhaps a "new" - which is just another way of saying previously unknown, as there's nothing "new" about it, but to draw any conclusion as to how it fits in the order of man is what science fiction novels are created on. Where's the "science" in that?

I'd like to recomend you read "The Blind Watchmaker" and "The Selfish Gene." These two books will fill in any holes you feel there may be in evolution.

I see all this as pretty simple to understand, for me.

I think "my god" made everything, universe et all.
Like everything else, God kept improving as he made "different things.
Thus I am related to EVERYTHING, even dirt; which I will go back to when I die.

Simple explanation that shows "my" relation to all planets, creatures & beings.

Just my humble thoughts.

We know how evolution works becuase of all the facts and the amazing people in the field that have uncovered so much data (all of which supports the theory). However we have very little understanding of how gravity works, what is space time, why mass warps it . . .

I believe that God created everything too. I also believe in science.

God is a black woman and she is pissed off

Why is she angry?

because no one listens to her....

Inherent contradiction.

It's not a contradiction to me. There are Christian scientists, btw.

Then I don't blame her a bit.

I think what he means is from a logic standpoint If god is a thing that can create and you state that god created everything, then this statement is self defeating unless you can propose a way something can not exist and create itself.

If god created everything extant then then that would include himself, if god does not exist then god did not create anything, if god created anything then god exists and did not create everything.

Make sense?

Boy you just took this to a new level! Unfortenatley yes it makes too much sense. Maybe just one more unanswerable question to keep us distracted from reality!

Might that not depend on which God we are talking about? The widely accepted 'bing bang' theory (or family of theories) for the origin of space/time itself is absolutely consistent with the existence of a supreme being that is outside of time and space. There is an extensive list of qualities we need NOT assume about this God: that she intervenes in her creation, that she planned for humans to evolve, that she listens to our prayers, etc etc.

Without projecting any particular qualities on the 'Creator', I see no reason that confidence in scientific conclusions would interfere with a faith in the existence of such a 'Creator'. Just as an example.

I think it was that particular statement that was being analyzed as contradictory not the whole of the concept of god.

However the concept of a consciousness outside time has it own problems and inconsistencies.

I think I will post a thread here on this issue so that we can keep this one on topic.