Topic: American Flag Irony
Jtevans's photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:50 AM
no offense to the Northerners but so only northerners can be proud of where they came from?

Winx's photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:50 AM
Black people don't fly the Rebel flag in St. Louis. noway I've only seen it here a few times and it's usually with the rougher crowds.

elwoodsully's photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:50 AM


why do u fly a flag? just curious Kendra as it's just odd to me. lol

My Dad was the first of my generation to serve in the Military.

And to be truthful if anyone was to think I was crazy for honoring the American Flag then so be it. I have never been one to go with the flow. I tend to follow my own path instead.........


God bless your Father, and bless you Kristi for Honoring him in such a fashion.
Anyone says anything to me about flying my American flag (made in America, by Americans), will get knocked on their ASS.
My Grampa, my Dad, my 2 Uncles, and myself went into combat for what the flag stands for.


auburngirl's photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:51 AM
Well...it's a slippery slope for sure. I mean, would you want to be reminded of that if you were black?

Winx's photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:51 AM

I fly a flag also. Oddly enough it was the American Flag that let me know my Mother was developing some dementia. She had placed my Dad's flag (the folded one in the glass/wooden case from his funeral) in the floor. I KNEW in her right mind she'd never have done that. Not in OUR house.

I want to get one of the POW/MIA flags that I've seen.


What a sad day that must have been for you.flowerforyou

elwoodsully's photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:53 AM

Where I live there are a lot of idiots that try to tell me all about it.(there rights to fly other flags) . I have seen so many people fly the flag the wrong way or at night ( with out a light on it). draped over a bench as decorations it irritates me to no end. So I keep my mouth shut and when they are asleep I take their flags from them.


I agree with you Duck. About two months ago, the flag at my village hall was flopping around by the bottom hole alone. So I walked up to it, and removed it, and gave it to one of the cops here. He's also a Vet, so he knew the WHY behind my actions. There was a new flag flying proudly about 2 hours later.. drinker :banana: drinker

auburngirl's photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:54 AM
My Dad did too. I feel Very strongly about our Flag. It stands for something. My Dad was MIA/POW. I don't care how frustrating our government ever gets, you don't burn a flag to voice that. You use your VOICE. That flag means something and those who do that might as well kick a vet in the gut. IMHO


HUGS Gyps.

no photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:54 AM


As I switch out yet another cheap, crappy made American flag, I have to say how ironic that the "American" flags are made in China or Mexico. Nice huh?! So I get maybe 6wks, if the weather is nice.

Course, the occasional American made flag, lasts maybe 8wks. So it's probably better to buy the cheaper crap, and go through 5 as compared to going through one.

Gotta love America, that we can ship our manufacturing overseas!!!




I had the same problem. I can't find an American made American flag.
I usually buy mine from Amvets...really nice ones

Jtevans's photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:54 AM

Well...it's a slippery slope for sure. I mean, would you want to be reminded of that if you were black?


the thing is,the civil war wasn't about slavery though

no photo
Thu 05/14/09 10:56 AM

Black people don't fly the Rebel flag in St. Louis. noway I've only seen it here a few times and it's usually with the rougher crowds.


wasn't Missouri a Union state in the Civil War? in which case they wouldn't fly the Confederate flag there

I don't have a problem with the racial connotations of the Confederate flag. no one has a right to be free from being offended. in other words, too bad

BUT the flag is a symbol of rebellion, secession, and treason and that is reason enough to not fly it

Winx's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:00 AM


Black people don't fly the Rebel flag in St. Louis. noway I've only seen it here a few times and it's usually with the rougher crowds.


wasn't Missouri a Union state in the Civil War? in which case they wouldn't fly the Confederate flag there

I don't have a problem with the racial connotations of the Confederate flag. no one has a right to be free from being offended. in other words, too bad

BUT the flag is a symbol of rebellion, secession, and treason and that is reason enough to not fly it


Yes, we were were a Union state. I'm sad to say it but St. Louis was the biggest slave market in Missouri.

Jtevans's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:07 AM


Black people don't fly the Rebel flag in St. Louis. noway I've only seen it here a few times and it's usually with the rougher crowds.


wasn't Missouri a Union state in the Civil War? in which case they wouldn't fly the Confederate flag there

I don't have a problem with the racial connotations of the Confederate flag. no one has a right to be free from being offended. in other words, too bad

BUT the flag is a symbol of rebellion, secession, and treason and that is reason enough to not fly it



treason?huh

Winx's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:15 AM

My Dad did too. I feel Very strongly about our Flag. It stands for something. My Dad was MIA/POW. I don't care how frustrating our government ever gets, you don't burn a flag to voice that. You use your VOICE. That flag means something and those who do that might as well kick a vet in the gut. IMHO


HUGS Gyps.


Winx:tongue:

Winx's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:16 AM


Well...it's a slippery slope for sure. I mean, would you want to be reminded of that if you were black?


the thing is,the civil war wasn't about slavery though


Tell that to the slaves.

auburngirl's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:21 AM
The display of the Confederate flag remains a highly controversial and emotional topic, generally because of disagreement over the nature of its symbolism.

Opponents of the Confederate flag see it as an overt symbol of racism, both for the history of racial slavery in the United States, and the establishment of Jim Crow laws by Southern states following the end of Reconstruction in late 1870s, enforcing racial segregation within state borders for nearly a century until the Civil Rights Movement. Some hate groups use the Southern Cross as one of the symbols associated with their organizations, including racist groups such as the Neo-Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan.[17] The flag is also sometimes used by separatist organizations such as the Aryan Nations. It is important to note, however, that the official flag of the Ku Klux Klan, as stated by this organization itself, is the flag of the United States of America, not the CSA battle flag. As a result of these varying perceptions, there have been a number of political controversies surrounding the use of the Confederate flag in Southern state flags, at sporting events, at Southern universities, and on public buildings. According to Civil War historian and native Southerner Shelby Foote, the flag traditionally represented the South's resistance to Northern political dominance; it became racially charged during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s, when fighting against desegregation suddenly became the focal point of that resistance.

Symbols of the Confederacy remain a contentious issue across the United States and have been debated vigorously in many Southern state legislatures over their civic placement since the 1990s


Wikipedia

Jtevans's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:22 AM



Well...it's a slippery slope for sure. I mean, would you want to be reminded of that if you were black?


the thing is,the civil war wasn't about slavery though


Tell that to the slaves.



yes the south had slaves (we all know that) but the war was not to free them.the war was because Good Ole' Mr Lincoln wanted land from the south and also wanted to raise taxes in the south,the south didn't like it and they organized but the Union attacked first

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:24 AM




Well...it's a slippery slope for sure. I mean, would you want to be reminded of that if you were black?


the thing is,the civil war wasn't about slavery though


Tell that to the slaves.



yes the south had slaves (we all know that) but the war was not to free them.the war was because Good Ole' Mr Lincoln wanted land from the south and also wanted to raise taxes in the south,the south didn't like it and they organized but the Union attacked first




:smile: Was there slavery before the civil war?:smile:

:smile: Was there slavery after the civil war?:smile:


Winx's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:25 AM





Well...it's a slippery slope for sure. I mean, would you want to be reminded of that if you were black?


the thing is,the civil war wasn't about slavery though


Tell that to the slaves.



yes the south had slaves (we all know that) but the war was not to free them.the war was because Good Ole' Mr Lincoln wanted land from the south and also wanted to raise taxes in the south,the south didn't like it and they organized but the Union attacked first




:smile: Was there slavery before the civil war?:smile:

:smile: Was there slavery after the civil war?:smile:




That about sums it up.laugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:25 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 05/14/09 11:27 AM
:banana: :banana: whoot whoot:banana: :banana:

no photo
Thu 05/14/09 11:29 AM
Lincoln freed only the slaves in the Confederate states and even then only as a tactic to cripple their economies in the latter days of the war

the Civil War was primarily a conflict over Federal Government and States rights.

secondarily it was a conflict between manufacturing in the north and cotton in the South (England and France supported the South in the war by the way)