Topic: Obama flushes 3.2 billion
Fanta46's photo
Thu 05/07/09 10:45 AM
Jobs saved winx!
Part of another campaign promise kept!

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Thu 05/07/09 10:46 AM

Jobs saved winx!
Part of another campaign promise kept!


No, jobs bought with taxpayer money. It comes out to over 100,000 per job.

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Thu 05/07/09 11:04 AM
Edited by crickstergo on Thu 05/07/09 11:06 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124105303238271343.html#mod=loomia?loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r2:c0.192364:b24211166

Just for you, Fanta.


But rather than use his early popularity to force hard decisions through the bankruptcy code, President Obama has decided in essence to have the feds run GM and Chrysler. This inevitably means running them for the benefit of the UAW that is so closely tied to the Democratic Party. Next up will be tax changes and regulations intended to coax, or coerce, Americans to buy Gettelfinger Motors cars. This tale of taxpayer woe is only beginning.

Winx's photo
Thu 05/07/09 03:19 PM



Isn't it about saving jobs and communities?

If you save a job that is overpayed in the first place, said job is producing a product that is oversaturated in the market place (and therefore will not sell in numbers sufficent to even pay for the workers you must pay)... and worse manufacturing a product that even the stupidest person on earth knows we must stop making... (since the resources for such things grows the less with each day)

What exactally are you saving?

If a community has built itself around a single industry that community has place its eggs in a single basket.

Even small children know this is not a good thing to do.

If they fail then it be time to move on to other more worthwhile projects.


Did you just insinuate that winx is stupider than a small child?


shocked

Winx's photo
Thu 05/07/09 03:23 PM

Jobs saved winx!
Part of another campaign promise kept!


It's not just jobs being saved, it's the community too.

6,000 people are at the plant in St. Louis County. There would be foreclosed homes, state health insurance, food stamps, welfare, and unemployment insurance involved. That township would be losing mega tax money for the schools, streets, and police officers. Restaurants, stores, gas stations and more would be closing. And more!

Zapchaser's photo
Thu 05/07/09 04:15 PM
Edited by Zapchaser on Thu 05/07/09 04:18 PM



Isn't it about saving jobs and communities?

If you save a job that is overpayed in the first place, said job is producing a product that is oversaturated in the market place (and therefore will not sell in numbers sufficent to even pay for the workers you must pay)... and worse manufacturing a product that even the stupidest person on earth knows we must stop making... (since the resources for such things grows the less with each day)

What exactally are you saving?

If a community has built itself around a single industry that community has place its eggs in a single basket.

Even small children know this is not a good thing to do.

If they fail then it be time to move on to other more worthwhile projects.


Did you just insinuate that winx is stupider than a small child?

Uh, that would be "more stupid" than a small child. Stupider? laugh Ah yes, the irony of life.bigsmile I don't believe AB was linking winx. drinker

Dragoness's photo
Thu 05/07/09 04:16 PM

Well....it is bankruptcy....that's how it works.

Kat


:thumbsup:

Zapchaser's photo
Thu 05/07/09 04:17 PM

Jobs saved winx!
Part of another campaign promise kept!

Sheeple? noway

Dragoness's photo
Thu 05/07/09 04:18 PM




Isn't it about saving jobs and communities?

If you save a job that is overpayed in the first place, said job is producing a product that is oversaturated in the market place (and therefore will not sell in numbers sufficent to even pay for the workers you must pay)... and worse manufacturing a product that even the stupidest person on earth knows we must stop making... (since the resources for such things grows the less with each day)

What exactally are you saving?

If a community has built itself around a single industry that community has place its eggs in a single basket.

Even small children know this is not a good thing to do.

If they fail then it be time to move on to other more worthwhile projects.


Did you just insinuate that winx is stupider than a small child?


shocked


noway

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Thu 05/07/09 05:05 PM


Isn't it about saving jobs and communities?

If you save a job that is overpayed in the first place, said job is producing a product that is oversaturated in the market place (and therefore will not sell in numbers sufficent to even pay for the workers you must pay)... and worse manufacturing a product that even the stupidest person on earth knows we must stop making... (since the resources for such things grows the less with each day)

What exactally are you saving?

If a community has built itself around a single industry that community has place its eggs in a single basket.

Even small children know this is not a good thing to do.

If they fail then it be time to move on to other more worthwhile projects.


I would say that all that is being said here, frankly, is that to make a statement that something should be done to save the job, is to make a stupid statement.

Now, everyone makes a stupid statement once in a while, and in particular, we all make a stupid statements, before we actually know that something doesn't work as we think it does.

Just look at Obama, the man is full of stupid statements.

As far as the explanation of why such a statement is incorrect, I totally agree with AdventureBegins. By saving an non-productive job, we always make the situation worse, not better.

warmachine's photo
Thu 05/07/09 05:07 PM
3.2 isn't even a drop of water on the ice berg of massive spending increases we've seen in the last 10 years. Bush tripled the size and Obama is doubling that tripling. Question is, when will it stop?

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Thu 05/07/09 05:19 PM
It can't stop. The "tripling" must continue, until our past debts become insignificant as compared to our new debts.

In the end, it will "end", but only because the whole system has self-destructed. Americans do not want to compete freely, under our own rules. Well, then after we destroy our own country, we will compete under someone else's rules.

warmachine's photo
Thu 05/07/09 05:25 PM
How sad is it that I see the logic in that statement.

China did receive some emminent domain rights from Mrs. Clintons visit not that long ago.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 05/07/09 07:03 PM




Isn't it about saving jobs and communities?

If you save a job that is overpayed in the first place, said job is producing a product that is oversaturated in the market place (and therefore will not sell in numbers sufficent to even pay for the workers you must pay)... and worse manufacturing a product that even the stupidest person on earth knows we must stop making... (since the resources for such things grows the less with each day)

What exactally are you saving?

If a community has built itself around a single industry that community has place its eggs in a single basket.

Even small children know this is not a good thing to do.

If they fail then it be time to move on to other more worthwhile projects.


Did you just insinuate that winx is stupider than a small child?

Uh, that would be "more stupid" than a small child. Stupider? laugh Ah yes, the irony of life.bigsmile I don't believe AB was linking winx. drinker


Really?

LOL

Fanta46's photo
Thu 05/07/09 07:15 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 05/07/09 07:16 PM

3.2 isn't even a drop of water on the ice berg of massive spending increases we've seen in the last 10 years. Bush tripled the size and Obama is doubling that tripling. Question is, when will it stop?


Close?

The budget deficit stood at $10.7 trillion, Obama and Congress were forced to increase it by about $1.2 trillion.

In 200 it was $5.6 trillion and decreasing due to repeated budget surpluses!
It was projected to be paid off by 2010 before Bush took office!

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Thu 05/07/09 07:22 PM
Fiat is a cool Italian car if you never driven one.drinker I like the Alpha Romeo better though. laugh

Also it is good to hear jobs are saved. Anything to keep people off the streets hungry.


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Thu 05/07/09 07:27 PM


Well....it is bankruptcy....that's how it works.

Kat



Not how it works for me, if I owe student loans or taxes, bankruptcy solves nothing.


Yup...my sis tried to file it on her student loans and her and her ex husbands taxes. They were divorced and the court said she had no ties to his taxes. Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha... so he said. The IRS said she owed them if they couldn't find him. Sooo she paid for awhile then I had my son look him up via the net and he found him. We went to his house and she let him have it. He didn't believe Jay found him that way. He said he left no paper trail. Obviously he was wrong. She finally told them they were not getting another dime from her. If she could find him...then so could they.

So, anyway...you are right...can't bankrupt those things.

Kat

Fanta46's photo
Thu 05/07/09 08:19 PM
http://www.moranlaw.net/studentloans.htm

Fanta46's photo
Thu 05/07/09 08:21 PM


3.2 isn't even a drop of water on the ice berg of massive spending increases we've seen in the last 10 years. Bush tripled the size and Obama is doubling that tripling. Question is, when will it stop?


Close?

The budget deficit stood at $10.7 trillion, Obama and Congress were forced to increase it by about $1.2 trillion.

In 200 it was $5.6 trillion and decreasing due to repeated budget surpluses!
It was projected to be paid off by 2010 before Bush took office!


It's bad enough without exaggerating it!

Fanta46's photo
Thu 05/07/09 08:22 PM

Fiat is a cool Italian car if you never driven one.drinker I like the Alpha Romeo better though. laugh

Also it is good to hear jobs are saved. Anything to keep people off the streets hungry.




Fiat wants to bring the Alpha Romeo here!drinker