With the advent of dominion satan was thrown down.

If a one of us commit a crime against the will of god it is gods place
to judge him. For that person is their own adversary and their own
salvation.

For the moment the final lamb went willingly to the hill satan had no
power.

By the actions of the Christ was satan throw as foretold into that pit
of his own iniquity.

the devil's biggest con was convincing the world he did not exist.

god can not exist with out the devil, his main function for us humans is
to deliver us from evil....with out the devil there is no god????????

He has no real power but he does exist.

Sin is in the hearts of men.
We create our sin. We have no need for satan. The evil dewells in all of
us. We are evil. God is all good, pure love. I believe that satan only
exist because he is the collective being of all of our evils that we
created to have as a scapegoat.
Hell does not exist either. God could not do that to His children. If
anyone believes that they need hell as a motivator to do what's right,
then more power to them. They need it.
But I believe that when people really see the truth about God's true
love, they will see that there is no need for hell.

if god defeated the devil what would his purpuse or function be towards
humans???

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

God is pure love but his grace delivers us from sin eternal damnation
and ....from his very rath which will come upon man.
he is love but he is also justice

Satan his no power. He is seal in the pit by the blood of christ.

I can not be evil. Nor can you. We were created in the image of god.

He breathed into us his spirit to give us life.

Though satan himself no longer has power in the world of reality his
minions still wield power in his name.

Christ took care of that which was labeled satan. It is up to us to
handle the minions.

and he can not exist with out the devil....

Satan is no "arch enemy". He is a powerless being who carries out the
will of God, and reads out the sin's against man upon his final
judgment.

Read the book of Job. Satan is no red-horned "devil". Thats all pagan
mythology my friends.

evil has to be in us, or satin is in us because of the evil acts that we
do. God created us from him, we created satan. Yes God did exist before
satan so there can be God without satan.

(I'm sorry, but in my beliefs this is really a mute argument
seeing that we are all a part of god, as is satan, and everything in
existence.)

bluebelly,

God is called I AM. I AM is also translated "The Self-sustaining one".
God needs nothing to exist.

Also, a quick lesson.

Cold does not exist. Cold is a subjective word that describes the
absence of heat.

Darkness does not exist. Darkness is a subjective word that describes
the absence of light.

Evil does not exist. Evil is a subjective word that describes the
absence of good. There can be no evil without good, but good can exist
without evil. The good/evil scale does not go into negative numbers, it
starts at infinity with God and goes down to 0 (alsolute absence of
good). Since nature abhors a vacuum, I don't believe anything can be
completely evil, God can use anything to acheive His will.

Whoaaaaa....what is this about there can be no evil? There are plenty of
evil people. My gosh, just look at all the serial murderers and the
such. Is that not evil? How about Ted Bundy, or Jeffrey Dahmer? People
who mame and kill their own kids.Oh so many more.

cristanity created the devil in the second or third centery to help sell
its new religion to the people then created purgatory to show that the
good people who died in the past could still get to heaven because
christ died on the cross... if god was so power full he would have put
down the devil tbut then humans would have no need for god....if we were
all good there would be no evil, if there is no evil we are all
robots.....

we did not create Satan Lucifer disobedionce and desire to be greater
than God created Satan. Sat existed before we did.

robboy

that was started in the second or third centery, these books that were
writen became the bible, well after crist died for us...the church had
to explain the difference between good and evil......what is god's
function if there is no evil to be saved from????

bluebelly,

God's will is always good. Man's will is almost always evil (ie in
opposition of God's will). If you decide to serve God's will in life,
while you have a sinful nature to deal with, you will perfectly serve
God's will in the afterlife. If you refuse to serve God's will in life,
you will not be willing to serve God's will in the afterlife. In other
words, life is a test. Satan is trick question that we must all deal
with.

If you have no struggles and life was easy, you would never depend on
God. If Satan could meddle with your lfe constantly, then you wouldn't
trust God. God has choosen a happy medium where he blesses you and
occationally allows Satan to try to turn you against the Lord. If you
triump over Satan, you will be rewarded, if you don't, then Satan will
lose interest and allow you to self destruct.

So we are to believe some of the bible only?

Humans as a species cannot exist with out the balance of man/woman.

Humans cannot advance as a species with out the further balance of
man/woman/child.

For those familiar with the oriental yin/yang.

It is a 2 dimensional bounded circle with a duality balanced within it.
Each part of the balance is necessary to maintain the symbol.

But the boundry exists to contain that symbol. That boundry is not a
duality but a single endless circle which contains the balance of the
yin/yang. With out the boundry the balance will fly apart. Therefor
the full yin/yang is not a dual balance but a three part balance.

Life in the world of reality is not a 2 dimensional circle but a 3
dimensional sphere. Man/woman is the balance held within that sphere.
The boundry is an infinate surface that contains human reality within
it. It needs no balance for it is the boundry by which the sphere of
the progress of humanity is measured.

That is god.
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Robbyboy>

Nice post.

Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

You sir will never go to hell. Therefore you have nothing to fear. The
gate of heaven is open. The gate of hell is closed.
It was sealed when the Annointed One ascended the throne of heaven.

spide

your first sentence says god is all good, but he created satan who is
bad and threw him out of heaven. how can god be all good yet creat the
devil?????????no devil, no god......