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The revolutionary Thomas Paine wrote several papers during the revolutionary period of the US and France. The US papers, if read today, hold the same power in thinking(towards the present government) that they did towards the aristocracy...
Chillingly so, in fact. The general concepts seem as though they are today the same as they were then. The self-perpetuating tax munching monster that it our government feeds off of it's society without adding to the source of it's own diet, much the same as the aristocracy did with the colonies. We need another Thomas Paine to move the people... in order to move the government more for the people. |
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well said
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Edited by
Lionfish
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Sat 04/04/09 10:06 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/opinion/04blow.html
Conservatives should really be the last people to name Tom Paine. He'd be pained. |
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Paine is a personal hero of mine.
What he might make of the current situation can only be guessed at. I suggest you read his writings as a whole. |
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What did you say???
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I am not sure what I am supposed to be responding to here... 
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I am not sure what I am supposed to be responding to here...
You offered nothing. No quote, no paragraph, nothing to compare the day and a paper written 240 years ago to. I myself see a few abstract comparisons but certainly not the whole paper, and nothing definitive! You offered an opinion, yours Im sure, and I dont agree. I dont see that you really said anything! |
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Ahhh...
I see what you mean.Here are a few quotes from Paine concerning government... Whether the forms and maxims of Governments which are still in practice, were adapted to the condition of the world at the period they were established, is not in this case the question. The older they are, the less correspondence they can have with the present state of things. Time, and change of circumstances and opinions, have the same progressive effect in rendering modes of government obsolete, as they have upon customs and manners. Agriculture, commerce, manufactures, and the tranquil arts, by which the prosperity of Nations is best promoted, require a different system of Government, and a different species of knowledge to direct it's operations, than what might have been required in the former condition of the world.
There are two distinct classes of men(women)in the Nation[England], those who pay taxes and those who receive and live upon the taxes... When taxation is carried to excess, it cannot fail to disunite those two, and something of this is now beginning to appear.
Sounds very applicable to today, does it not? |
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Conservatives should really be the last people to name Tom Paine. He'd be pained.
Are you calling me a conservative?
Why do you have to curse at me? 
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Why do you have to curse at me? Ha ha, no. Just making a general statement.
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imagine that
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Wake up America!!!
Partisanship serves only as a political distraction which effectively divides the people. They (the elected officials, the politicians, and their supporters) whose tax burden is nil when considered in terms of the ratio between liability and gross annual income, all play golf together on private courses built in private country clubs that they all belong to, which we cannot afford the membership dues of, that are paid for with our tax dollars... They all have one hundred percent health care coverage which is paid for with our tax dollars, while we struggle to be able to afford to pay our own, if it is even possible to do such a thing. The true division in this country which needs our focus lies between the elected officials, the politicians (along with those whose bank accounts are similar), and the working class who pay for this country in every way while we are losing the ability to have a life which pleases us, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The situation we find ourselves in comes as a result of their previous and continued actions. The laws are King here, and the laws benefit those who pass them(politicians), and those who financially supported them along the campaign trail(whose bank accounts are similar). We need a Thomas Paine!!! |
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go for it man
you ccaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn do iiiiitttttttt |
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Uh...
Nope, not I...
I do not have enough vested in the country itself. I can live without the economy, as can my children. Resourcefulness is a virtue nowadays... as is overall good health, both of which I have been fortunate enough to have.
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Another...
When we survey the wretched condition of man under the monarchical and hereditary systems of Government, dragged from his home by one power, or driven by another, and impovershed by taxes more than by enemies, it becomes evident that those systems are bad, and that a general revolution in the principle and construction of Government is necessary.
THIS is the measure by which one should place value upon the government in power... Government is nothing more than a national association; and the object of this association is the good of all, as well individually as collectively. Every man wishes to pursue his occupation, and to enjoy the fruits of his labours, and the produce of his property in peace and safety, and with it the least possible expense. When these things are accomplished, all the objects for which government ought to be established are answered.
Remind anyone of these times? Remind anyone of this government?
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Sat 04/04/09 04:19 PM
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Another...
It is from the enterprise and industry of the individuals, and their numerous associations, in which, tritely speaking, government is neither pillow nor bolster, that these improvements have proceeded. No man thought about the government, who was in, who was out, when he was planning or executing those things; and all he had to hope, with respect to government,was, that it would let him alone.
The current set of circumstances in this country is so far away from this statement... Our government has become so much like a monarchy... only that the King are many... |
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As I read the following, I find myself picturing a government described as it should be, NOT, as it is... or was conceived to be.
My how times do change... Every man is a proprietor in government, and considers it a necessary part of his business to understand. It concerns his interest because it affects his property. He examines the cost, and compares it with the advantages, and above all, he does not adopt the slavish custom of following what in other governments are called LEADERS.
How true is this statement now? What then, do you say of the next? There[America], the poor are not oppressed, the rich are not priveleged. Industry is not mortified by the splendid extravagance of a court rioting at it's expense. There taxes are few, because their government is just.
Is THAT still the case, or has the country regressed into a much more complex monarchy?
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What of this... found in the very beginning of Common Sense, his first paper on revolution in government...
Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in it's best state is but a necessary evil; in it's worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without a government, our calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.
What say you? |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Sat 04/04/09 06:20 PM
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do not throw upon another a chore you would refuse to do
not a good thing maybe china will come thru to rescue those in need after all they have filed suit for human rights violations in world theater
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