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Topic: A new day for U.S. atheists?
Alverdine Joined Mon 03/09/09 Posts: 199	Sun 04/05/09 05:58 AM
Obama is against gay marriage.He has said this many times. Well not so fast there. President Obama opposes same sex marriage but he also is in opposition to a constitutional ban on it. That was my understanding but I might be wrong. I have not looked recently to see if he has changed that view.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 04/05/09 09:32 AM
Mirror's Great Awakening is a big part of it yet I disagree with some of what I read about that. They were trying to claim that the "First Awakening" was responsible for the revolutionary war. Doubtful. Christianity and its morality would have been in direct conflict with what the men who initiated that process (high treason) believed was important at the time. The Great Awakening happened many years after the Revolution.

Alverdine Joined Mon 03/09/09 Posts: 199	Sun 04/05/09 09:43 AM
Mirror's Great Awakening is a big part of it yet I disagree with some of what I read about that. They were trying to claim that the "First Awakening" was responsible for the revolutionary war. Doubtful. Christianity and its morality would have been in direct conflict with what the men who initiated that process (high treason) believed was important at the time. The Great Awakening happened many years after the Revolution. The first Awakening is listed here on Wiki: Since religion has often been used to support political platforms, the Great Awakenings have exerted significant influence on the politics of America. Joseph Tracy, the minister and historian who gave this religious phenomenon its name in his influential (and still, to many, definitive) 1842 book The Great Awakening, saw the First Great Awakening as a precursor to the War of Independence. For another example, the abolition movement, part of the wider Second Great Awakening, eventually contributed to the crisis over slavery, which led to the American Civil War. Thats where I disagree with it.

Quantumthoughtbubble Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 494	Sun 04/05/09 09:51 AM
President Obama seems to be much more of a REAL christian person (to me)than President Bush. I don't see "religion being taken out of government". I just see a more intelligent and intellectual president. And I am more comfortable with the government making decisions based upon rationality than any sort of psuedo political/religious ideology. I believe that he's just a figure head. Like great packageing to a box of fecal matter. There decisions are all adding up to a new world order. Beware when he declares "world peace". It is what it isn't and it is'nt what it is.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 04/05/09 09:55 AM
President Obama seems to be much more of a REAL christian person (to me)than President Bush. I don't see "religion being taken out of government". I just see a more intelligent and intellectual president. And I am more comfortable with the government making decisions based upon rationality than any sort of psuedo political/religious ideology. I believe that he's just a figure head. Like great packageing to a box of fecal matter. There decisions are all adding up to a new world order. Beware when he declares "world peace". It is what it isn't and it is'nt what it is. I believe that those "biblical prophecies" have already been fullfilled thousands of years ago. We have free will, the future is what we make it.

Alverdine Joined Mon 03/09/09 Posts: 199	Sun 04/05/09 09:58 AM
What biblical prophecy has ever been fulfilled? Thats probably a new thread huh?

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 04/05/09 10:20 AM Edited by MirrorMirror on Sun 04/05/09 10:22 AM
What biblical prophecy has ever been fulfilled? Thats probably a new thread huh? The stuff she was saying about "new world order" and "world peace". I presume that she was making reference to the so called "biblical endtimes". The biblical "prophecies pertaining to these things were all fullfilled within decades of Christ's Crucifixion. They all pertained to events that took place within the Roman Empire.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 04/05/09 10:23 AM
Mirror's Great Awakening is a big part of it yet I disagree with some of what I read about that. They were trying to claim that the "First Awakening" was responsible for the revolutionary war. Doubtful. Christianity and its morality would have been in direct conflict with what the men who initiated that process (high treason) believed was important at the time. The Great Awakening happened many years after the Revolution. The first Awakening is listed here on Wiki: Since religion has often been used to support political platforms, the Great Awakenings have exerted significant influence on the politics of America. Joseph Tracy, the minister and historian who gave this religious phenomenon its name in his influential (and still, to many, definitive) 1842 book The Great Awakening, saw the First Great Awakening as a precursor to the War of Independence. For another example, the abolition movement, part of the wider Second Great Awakening, eventually contributed to the crisis over slavery, which led to the American Civil War. Thats where I disagree with it. I just know that the history books say it happened in 1820s-1840s

Alverdine Joined Mon 03/09/09 Posts: 199	Sun 04/05/09 10:32 AM
Mirror's Great Awakening is a big part of it yet I disagree with some of what I read about that. They were trying to claim that the "First Awakening" was responsible for the revolutionary war. Doubtful. Christianity and its morality would have been in direct conflict with what the men who initiated that process (high treason) believed was important at the time. The Great Awakening happened many years after the Revolution. The first Awakening is listed here on Wiki: Since religion has often been used to support political platforms, the Great Awakenings have exerted significant influence on the politics of America. Joseph Tracy, the minister and historian who gave this religious phenomenon its name in his influential (and still, to many, definitive) 1842 book The Great Awakening, saw the First Great Awakening as a precursor to the War of Independence. For another example, the abolition movement, part of the wider Second Great Awakening, eventually contributed to the crisis over slavery, which led to the American Civil War. Thats where I disagree with it. I just know that the history books say it happened in 1820s-1840s Well evidently the First Great Awakening was earlier than that. I certainly would not come to the conclusion that Christianity and the War for Independence had anything in common. They would have been at odds.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 04/05/09 10:50 AM
Mirror's Great Awakening is a big part of it yet I disagree with some of what I read about that. They were trying to claim that the "First Awakening" was responsible for the revolutionary war. Doubtful. Christianity and its morality would have been in direct conflict with what the men who initiated that process (high treason) believed was important at the time. The Great Awakening happened many years after the Revolution. The first Awakening is listed here on Wiki: Since religion has often been used to support political platforms, the Great Awakenings have exerted significant influence on the politics of America. Joseph Tracy, the minister and historian who gave this religious phenomenon its name in his influential (and still, to many, definitive) 1842 book The Great Awakening, saw the First Great Awakening as a precursor to the War of Independence. For another example, the abolition movement, part of the wider Second Great Awakening, eventually contributed to the crisis over slavery, which led to the American Civil War. Thats where I disagree with it. I just know that the history books say it happened in 1820s-1840s Well evidently the First Great Awakening was earlier than that. I certainly would not come to the conclusion that Christianity and the War for Independence had anything in common. They would have been at odds. The guy that wrote that book may have said that but he was incorrect

Alverdine Joined Mon 03/09/09 Posts: 199	Sun 04/05/09 10:57 AM
Yes because look at this taken from the bible: "For rebellion as is the sin of witchcraft." 1 Samuel, 15:23 Hmm, wasnt the revolutionary war all about rebellion?

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sun 04/05/09 12:12 PM
Yes because look at this taken from the bible: "For rebellion as is the sin of witchcraft." 1 Samuel, 15:23 Hmm, wasnt the revolutionary war all about rebellion? Whatever it means, there was no religious revival in the years preceding or during the Revolutionary War.

Quantumthoughtbubble Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 494	Tue 04/07/09 07:54 PM
President Obama seems to be much more of a REAL christian person (to me)than President Bush. I don't see "religion being taken out of government". I just see a more intelligent and intellectual president. And I am more comfortable with the government making decisions based upon rationality than any sort of psuedo political/religious ideology. I believe that he's just a figure head. Like great packageing to a box of fecal matter. There decisions are all adding up to a new world order. Beware when he declares "world peace". It is what it isn't and it is'nt what it is. I believe that those "biblical prophecies" have already been fullfilled thousands of years ago. We have free will, the future is what we make it. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. But even if I'm wrong about that. Doesn't make him any less of a wolf in sheep clotheing. Does'nt make his blood line any less blue. And believe me they do have an agenda.

MahanMahan Joined Wed 01/21/09 Posts: 5844	Wed 04/08/09 06:13 AM
I not only voted for Obama, but I did a great deal of campaining locally for him as well. The whole time, I would try to remind others that if you keep on regarding Obama as the Messiah and the great savior, you are setting yourself up for a big let down. Remember that Obama is a politician 1st and foremost and he emerged from the political infestation of Chicago. I voted for Obama because I truly believed that he was the lesser of the two evils. At least Obama talked about change, and it's the thought that counts, where as McCain would have shamelessly continued Bush's corrupt policies. QuantumThoughtBuuble, put THAT in yer pipe and smoke it..

Quantumthoughtbubble Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 494	Wed 04/08/09 07:08 AM
But you didn't even have to vote. THAT decision, my friend, was already made for you. All that "campaigning" they did ...dog and pony show....circus act, center ring. Most people take a look at bush or mc'cain and go "anybody's better than those guys!" They set it up so you would feel that way and except the choice they made FOR you. Need I remind ANYONE that bush did'nt really win iether of those elections. I lived in florida at the time and was very much into politics. Every one I poled said they were'nt voteing for Bush. Gore had a message of change too! Btw:thanks for the smoke...this ..is ...good ...****

MahanMahan Joined Wed 01/21/09 Posts: 5844	Wed 04/08/09 07:28 AM Edited by MahanMahan on Wed 04/08/09 07:31 AM
Like my gandpapa was once overheard sayin' while fine tuning the grandfather clock, "Jens daari bede bekeshim dige baa-vafaa" which vaguely translates to "Smoke'em if you gots them."

Quantumthoughtbubble Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 494	Wed 04/08/09 07:33 AM
what that's it! Come on I know at least mirror mirror has got something to say.

MahanMahan Joined Wed 01/21/09 Posts: 5844	Wed 04/08/09 08:05 AM
Haha! Try again... Mr. Lee A.K.A. MirrorMirror has not responded to me once ever since I confessed on one of these silly threads a few weeks back that I had a crush on him and didn't care that he was a man... LMAO that you had to pick him of all the happy minglers.

Quantumthoughtbubble Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 494	Wed 04/08/09 08:09 AM
Well I've never offended the mirror man. Mirror,...a little homophobic are we?...well maybe that did it. Really no offence

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Wed 04/08/09 08:13 AM