That there was absolutely no evidence that the Obama administration was going to come after guns.

So why would Rahm Emmanuel say this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vp7f1QKYmg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebackpackfever%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

Very interesting ,Warmachine.

I wish you would make your links active so I could just click on em


brb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vp7f1QKYmg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebackpackfever%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

kinda what you would expect from a speech at the Brady Center. I feel a lot of sympathy for Brady but I think he kinda went overboard

there are some gun controls I would support. like a waiting period. I figure if you need a gun and you need it now then its prolly for the wrong reason

but now they have banned ammunition sales from hardware stores. That is what a hardware store is for

Oh yeah, the attempted Reagan assassination. Who was VP again? This agenda has been going on a long time.
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Bush Jr. WILL use the MANDATORY Mental Health screening LAWS he's
setting up to STRIP U.S. of our GUN RIGHTS!
But it's his Daddy's CIA that's creating these 'mental health NUTS in
the first place!!!


....programs your tax dollars PAID FOR that involve UNWILLING victims of
the CIA to turn them into information couriers, sex slaves and yes
ASSASINS! In fact, MK stands for Manmade Killer. And there's MK-Search,
MK-Naomi, Project Artichoke, Project Monarch and many more. These involve
the use of drugs, TORTURE, RAPE, chips etc.

...........Also Cathy O'Brien documents her victimization
and that of her 7 year old daughter by Bush SENIOR and **** Cheney in a
book: " http://www.trance-formation.com Be sure to read the EXCERPT
there "A Most Dangerous Game" about Cheney. The CIA was headed by
WHOM???? That's right! Head Skull and Bones SATANIST Daddy Bush who was
having dinner with John Hinkley Jr.s BROTHER the night BEFORE he was
SHOT!! hmm..........

John Hinkley Jr was clearly a mind-controlled Manchurian Candidate, sent to get the Brady Bill passed. There have been many others.

Also I find supporting the restrictions of what guns can be had is a necessity.

There are many weapons that have no place on the streets legally or otherwise.

Second Amendment does not say we cannot restrict what can be had so it is constitutional.

???

There are over a million people on that bloated, done nothing, terror watch list. Kids, Ted Kennedy, senior citizens and cheerleaders. Give me one good reason why you should lose your Constitutional rights, because you ended up on the ridiculous Goosestepping TSA watch list.

If we have a million terrorists int this country, I hate to tell Emmanuel and any other gun grabbers this, but show's over.

I truely believe they covered this when they used the word "infringe".

Basically don't cross the line. There does reach a point where a weapon proposes a clear and present danger in the u.s., You know, things like WMD's. Other than that, you are looking at an amendment that was made 2nd in importance for a reason. The reason is that people in extreme cases, need to protect themselves from their own government. This is why it is placed there. Do even the slightest research, and you will find this to be true.

Also, whenever a significan ban on weapons occurs, even here in the U.S., you have an increase, usually a large one, of crime. Weird how Social Engineering works, i know, stumped me at first too.

The thing is, by making it illegal you are only saying that peacable citizens should never be allowed to have these weapons even if criminals have them. So there needs to be a line, but this philosophy should clear it up a bit.

Right! We wouldn't necessarily want Bubba hunting Bambi with rocket launchers!

This idea that we are going to use the bloated ineffective terror watch list to strip people of their Constitutional right, is just disgusting and walks that line of treason.

Hey War, you ever look up HR 45?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45.IH:


They haven't voted on it yet, and i heard even the dems are PISSED about it.

It's scary when you read about the cazy restrictions....

You'd need a special permit for any handgun or semi auto weapon with detachable magazine.

Hopefully congress isn't completely stupid enough to vote this through.

I'm looking now.

I view anyone disarming peacable citizens of simple things like self defense handguns and/or semiauto rifles as being treasonous. Regardless of his or her orders, or political affiliation.

Okay, this is messed up. Where's our Judicial saying, you can't do that, it's unconstitutional?

Oh, yeah, thats right. The Judicial's main job is to now help the Executive and Legislative get around the Constitution now.

All the gun rights advocates seem to be able to quote part of the 2nd amendment in their sleep; the second part. I say read the whole amendment and things aren't exactly crystal clear:

“ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. ”


A well regulated militia. Hmmmm....

The potential of the people, to be that militia, are necessary to keep our Government from overstepping their boundaries. By allowing them to swat team everyone, to usurp the rights of gun owners, banning firearms, you're allowing Government to step all over the Constitutional rights of fellow citizens, plus you remove the only buffer that will keep us from becoming a total 3rd world police state.

I'm not even a gun owner, but I understand Liberty.

I know what you mean. Been there. I actually did a little research on what our forefathers could have meant from that. Here is what i found.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -George Mason, during Virginia's ratification convention, 1788


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344

"The said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..." Samuel Adams

We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
---Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.

[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.

[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor...
---George Mason

"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)

"The whole of the Bill (of Rights) is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals.... It establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of." (Albert Gallatin of the New York Historical Society, October 7, 1789)

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States....Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America" - (Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.)

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." (James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 [June 8, 1789])

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." (Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States" (Noah Webster in `An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution', 1787, a pamphlet aimed at swaying Pennsylvania toward ratification, in Paul Ford, ed., Pamphlets on the Constitution of the United States, at 56(New York, 1888))

"...if raised, whether they could subdue a Nation of freemen, who know how to prize liberty, and who have arms in their hands?" (Delegate Sedgwick, during the Massachusetts Convention, rhetorically asking if an oppressive standing army could prevail, Johnathan Elliot, ed., Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, Vol.2 at 97 (2d ed., 1888))

"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." (Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29.)

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." (Tench Coxe in `Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym `A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people" (Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788)

"The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both." [William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms, and be taught alike especially when young, how to use them." (Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights, Walter Bennett, ed., Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republican, at 21,22,124 (Univ. of Alabama Press,1975)..)

"The great object is that every man be armed" and "everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386)

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." (Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646)

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." (Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86-87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850))

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" (George Washington)

Many share your view, war. I just wish I would stop hearing such nonsense from the gun people like, "What part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand?"