Absolutely.

Our town avoided putting up a stop sign at the end of our road. People begged for it because teens drove the area at top speed ignoring that dangerous section. Finally it happened, a teen killed himself and two friends when he took that corner at top speed and ended up under a house. Literally under it. Lucky for the elderly couple in the house, they were spared. The stop sign was put up a year later when people continued to beg for it and finally got it. Guess they were danged liberals who thought their lives were worth the government response.. Too bad people don't think, but they they don't, and someone has to think for them.

Another man drained his oil in his yard for years, along with other toxic chemicals that ended up poisoning the wells of all his neighbors. He screamed bloody murder it was his right to do whatever he liked in his yard. The area neighbors informed him it was not his right to endanger their families. He was fined big time, and he still complains to this day.

If that makes us liberals, then I am happy to be a liberal.

As a Hunter and Fisher I am All For Clean air, Water and Land Conservation. but as the Topic States this Was Something No Doubt Cooked up by Someone Who Had a Politician Owe Him/Her for Campaign Contributions and it Turned out to be a Colossal Failure!

I'm talking because I do take personal responsibility. I have nerve damage in my neck, but I don't believe it would be moral to engage in a system where Government takes one persons earnings, by force, to distribute them to me or anyone else. I take personal responsibility in knowing that just by questioning my Government I'm probably on every terror watch list and no fly list they've ever come up with, I choose to continue questioning and educating with that knowledge.

Government will NEVER think for me.

"Another man drained his oil in his yard for years, along with other toxic chemicals that ended up poisoning the wells of all his neighbors. He screamed bloody murder it was his right to do whatever he liked in his yard. The area neighbors informed him it was not his right to endanger their families. He was fined big time, and he still complains to this day."


This does harm to others, I live by the social theory of Do No Harm. What a concept, that you can do whatever you like as long as you're not hurting someone else and you take responsibility for the consequences. Government does not seek to allow this real freedom.

That's too bad, War, because as a tax paying citizen and a caring individual I would want someone to look into that nerve damage. And to me it's not hard to see why the gov has to think for those that do not take responsiblity for their surroundings.

Yes the concept that you can do what you like as long as it doesn't harm others is great. Count the number of people that actually think that way and don't harm others by their unconsious actions.

Excuse me, but when we are asked, we don't seem to pay much attention until it's forced on us. Again we don't live in a small society any more where you might not even notice when people do things that cause greater harm.

I don't want Government forcing others to look after me, I worked hard to get to where I could move again, I worked even harder to get where I could work again and I now qualify for benefits and insurance, which I will use to get my neck dealt with. I did this, on my own and without the nanny state stealing from someone to do it.

Unconcious actions? Thats kinda vague, but you are still responsible for yourself, this reliance on the state is part of what got us where we are today, with the debt, wars and economic disaster, because someone in Government thinks they know better than everyone else what the world should be like.

Who's we? I jump up and down trying to get people to read, watch something educational something more than the last episode of southpark. I stand tall on trying to get folks to pay more attention to what their so called government is doing and less attention to Lindsay Lohan. I don't wait to be asked, I take action and engage. Thats who I choose to be.

If people would start paying attention to what's going on in their own yards and not to the Weapon of Mass Distraction, you would see far less of this unintended consequences stuff, but you have to stop thinking that government will fix it and take some freaking initiative.

Your not stupid War, you know exactly what I am talking about.

Is this some all encompassing statement about my retort? I live by my principles and no matter what I lose or gain, I will always have those, no one but myself can remove them from me.

I refuse to believe that the Government can decide how to live the lives of its citizens better than those individuals. Those who choose to make bad decisions should expect to face the consequences, however thats not our system anymore. Tilula, Tx (spelling?) is one example and so is the bailout economic catastrophe.

I am never going to be as articulate as you, War. All I can hope for this that more people educate themselves on our environment and realize why it is important to protect it, and do what's needed to protect it, with out expecting the gov to do it for us. When we don't, i don't know what else can be done.

I am never going to be as articulate as you, War. All I can hope for this that more people educate themselves on our environment and realize why it is important to protect it, and do what's needed to protect it, with out expecting the gov to do it for us. When we don't, i don't know what else can be done.



"All I can hope for this that more people educate themselves on our environment and realize why it is important to protect it, and do what's needed to protect it, with out expecting the gov to do it for us. When we don't, i don't know what else can be done."


This is something that I am on the same page as you are. People need to choose to make the difference, not government doing it by force.
For the record, I have some (perhaps lofty, but doable) plans for my little abode. I am working to get some solar added to my crib, I know for a fact I will generate far more than I need.
I am also going to get an Ecolablue, which pulls the humidity out of the air, filters the crap out of it and generates 7 gallons of water a day. There are some other things, but that comes first, I think.

Well as a woman that can do most everything myself and have, that facinates me. I would much rather be engaged in doing, than talking about it, though I can sit and discuss all manner of being self sufficient long into the night. I hate politics, but understand the need to keep up because we can not trust our representatives to do what's nessessary. I am just not convinced all are out to do us in or take everything away from us.

Rigth now I have information overload with all the different groups that want one thing or another. The more I read, and I do read, the less I know about where I fit at all in the political arena, it's as if everyone is bent on getting their way and they will go to any extreme to get it and that scares the hell out of me.

I was looking at a site the other night about water purification here http://www.ecoloblue.com/. Is this what you are referring to?

yep. thats the one.

Funny I was just looking at that ... a bit steep for me right now but I have been looking around for similar options.

Yeah, its a bit steep, but it's gonna pay for itself.

Ah well it better

Thomas,

People like me?

If someone is driving with a suspended license and broke the law doing so, why shouldn't they be punished? It's called consequences.

Why shouldn't I be bothered if someone's car sits in front of my house for days? That happens, btw, the car CAN be stolen or abandoned.

Communist nation? Be serious now. It's not even close.

I think the government needs to stop thinking for us so people can learn to think for themselves and take their own responsibility.

While I fully support that, my only fear is that the government has played nanny for so long I'm afraid there are those that forgot how.

Only one way to learn...

Winx you can get your license suspended for a unpaid parking ticket and not even know about it.I hardly think it is fair to have your car impounded and auctioned off(despite if it is new or collectable)and have the government keep the money.I also think that people being charged the equivalent of thousands or even ten of thousands of dollars for one infraction is going to far.This law also bugs me because if you are caught with a DUI it is just a fine and a slap on the wrist.I think people should be punished for driving with a suspended license but this goes way too far.

I totally disagree with you about cars sitting in the driveway or street for weeks or months on end.The main reason I disagree with you is I have had cars with problems where I didn't have the money and it might take me a month or two to save for it to get it fixed.If that car sits there for 6 months or more with out being moved then I can see your point.3 days and it getting towed no way!

Winx I hope one day you can back up what you are saying in actions.I would like you to go up to a soldier from the war and tell him he shouldn't wash his car in his driveway or work on it.Tell him also that his car has been sitting in the same place for 3 days and you would like to have it towed.

As far as you other posters giving me stupid comments such as...this guy dumped tons of garbage at my park,and that guy dumped oil in the ground and blah blah.It sounds dumb and it's a cop out.There are millions of mechanics out there who work on their cars and do it in a professional manner.I work on cars all the time and I don't dump the oil into the ground I take it to the parts store and they recycle it.

Your all sounding like a bunch of puppets on strings to me.You whine and whine and complain about the government but not only do you want more of it,you speak against the very people who want government to butt out.