If you believe they do battle…
What do you think comprises the Light?

What comprises the Dark?
Have they battled in the past?
When?

WHO CONTROLS THEM?
Why would IT want them to battle? (do they battle by their own choosing perhaps?)

The light: my right side
The dark: my left side
Always In battle
Ruler: me

genesis 1:1-30..."and he saw that it was good."

within the polarization they're complete. no battling, it just is.

now, what a vessel does with the light/dark will depend on the intent of the heart.

I think that the idea of "Light" and "Dark" battling is metaphoric at best - since they cannot exist concurrantly by definition.

there is indeed a battle, within all mortal things, of dark and light, good and bad, night and day, cold and hot, holy or not holy, moral or not moral, god or no god, true or false, until the day the infinite time clock, slowly tick and tock and strike the moment, of all destiny of a human life, controlled by the hands of the universe herself, and infinite pendelum strike the hour and minute, and usher in the darkest of the darkest dark place, the center of the eternal hourglass, the tight center of the infinity 8, where it is one skinny squeeze, where the caterpiller must remove all it's clothing, once called ego, to fit itself into the cacoon, and the morphing begin, and the serpent shed it's skin, and the memory is debunked, and all the minds data is debriefed, and the sight return to the eye's of a child, and the heart become alive, and all knowledge is passed away, and wisdom take her place, and eye's behold the splendor of no dark and no light, and what once did crawl upon the ground, in ignored doubt of it's every move, now emerge an ever aware cautious creature, and the wings begin learning a flight course, and eye's reach to the ends of all horizons, and past and present and future does not hide, and unequality is left far behind, and the mind and heart are one pumping in unison, and the forever knowing self does not breath alone breaths fire, and knowing that cannot be known in a billion lifetime's fill the lungs, and the mysteries of the cosmos and earth lie bare and naked, and all things become as equal in width and depth, and sight of beginnings and ending are deceased, and conscious time is forever no more, and the beauty of the sight of new golden era's of all humanity is breathless, as the peace and tranquility roll down every street, and all once foretold in all myths and religions, lie dead straight ahead, just around the next bend, and the places beyond any mortal imagination, unfold as a magic carpet into reality.

peace to peace to peace

Ancient Egyptian Scribes or Philosophers have always asked this question when they saw how the sun disappeared and reappeared each day. They saw the effects in the lands when it was dark and when it became light again.

Ra - the sun god or the god of day and Set the god of dark/night where said to battle each other each day. In the day Ra would win offering light and at night Set would win offering night. This was a neverending battle that allowed us to have day and night essential to our well being, as it was thought then.

Then of course we have many hundreds of stories of light and dark from different mythologies and yes even today religions. Each are very interesting stories I must add that can keep you entertained for hours if read.

Of course in some parts of the world it stays light all day long for a few weeks. Now imagine if the Ancient Egyptian Civilization existed in Alaska instead. What would the Scribes or Philosophers at the time say?

Beg to differ...

If there is no light there will be no darkness.

If there is no darkness light can not be seen.

They exist concurrently by definition as each needs the other to exist.

Perhaps it is not the Light and Dark battling against each other, but rather us humans battling against the Dark that exists in all of us, in equal parts with the Light.

We fight hard against our own Darkness by not accepting it and completely denying it's existance in each of us. It grows in us until we have no way to contain it.

The ego tells us that we're good. We HAVE to be nothing but good in order to be "okay". It's all anyone will be willing to accept about themself and will shut out any opposing perception. The ego establishes it's stance and shuts us off from a connection to humanity.

The battle is being waged within.

We become way out of wack because we attempt to force ourselves out of the natural balance between our own Dark and Light.

The strange thing is, it doesn't work the same way with good vs. evil.

YOu know what is good, without evil, you can feel it. For example, killing people and making people miserable is evil and you don't need a hint of "what is good" to know it.

I would not mix the meanings of dark=evil , or light = good whatsoever, since they are not on parallel.

Beg to differ with what?

Darkness is the absence of light. With any amount of light - darkness disappears. They are mutually exclusive events. Like the sides of a coin. If you flip a coin - you will either get a heads - or a tails, never both. If the coin stands on edge - you get neither.

damn, you hit the nail on the head, striking it smack square upon the top...

and in the perception, the battle of good and evil rage, by seeing either the bad side of the coin, or the good side of the coin, and the thoughts are divided, into seeing only one side of the coin at any given time, but, if the mind for each bad side of the coin it see, find the good of the bad, then both sides are now joined as one, and this done for even a short period of time, erase the dividing method man is born with within the mind, and the heart is unlocked, and the sight is as a new third sight, and insight that see both good and bad together, both sides of the coin no longer as divided into two, witnessed in the speaking of all things become as one, and many other things within your religion speaking of this, as the holy spirit, being on each thing born, giving it sight of dividing all things into holy or not holy, good and bad, and your text speaking of it as the father, and the son, and the holy spirit, and when they are become as one, the third sight is envoked, the one just called spirit of god, spirit seeing good in all life, and no longer seeing all things as either less or better than self, and the war, that tired the feet, and pained the heart, is over, and the sight return to the eye's of a child, that seen all with beauty...

great thoughts man...

peace dear elijay

Give example of a place without light where darkness can occure.

Just because YOU can not see in a place does not mean an absence of light in that place. It mearly indicates an absence of the wavelengths you see.

If you are equating dark with black...

think again as black is the presense of all colors.

There is never a complete absense of dark nor a complete absense of light in most occasions. Even our nights have light and our days have shadows.

Interesting shades of gray........

As for the battle, I would say it is a concession more then a battle. Day gives way to night and night gives way to day. Good gives in to evil and evil gives in to good at different times in history and/or inside of each of us.

Light and dark? Battle?

Does the Sun battle the moon?

Does the light switch battle the dark room?



A force of good and a force of evil ...


No, the notion doesn't make sense to me

I have no clue what you're talking about AB.

If you are using Light and Dark as metaphors for good and evil then they are poor metephors becasue there is no such thing as *absolute good* or *absolute evil*. And even the relative forms that exist are highly subjective.

In my study of Shamanism I've learned of an 'UnderWorld' a 'MiddleWorld', and an 'UpperWorld'.

Some people and religions have associated the 'Underworld' with 'darkness' and 'evil' some religions go as far as viewing it as an eternal hell.

Also some people and religions have associated the 'UpperWorld' with 'light' and 'divinity' some go as far as thinking of it as an eternal heaven.

But the shamans don't see things in such extremes. For one thing the 'UnderWorld' is not total darkness, it has its own light. Neither is it all evil. There are many saintly beings in the underworld.

Similarly the UpperWorld is not totally good. And whilst all three worlds are eternal, no spirit ever spends all of eternity in any one place.

Finally, there are wars and conflicts in the UnderWorld, and in the MiddleWorld (that's where we live). But there are also conflicts in the UpperWorld.

The UnderWorld exists as dense (or heavy) energy, the MiddleWorld exists as medium energy, and the UpperWorld exists as refined (or light) energy. They also all exist on different frequencies and even on different modes of vibrations.

The UnderWorld and UpperWorld are most certainly not at war with each other. They couldn't even battle if they wanted to. They simpy exist on different frequencies of existence. They can't interact with each other directly at all.

Of course, that's on the "physical plane", all three worlds are "physical" although their physics are different.

There is far more to it of course. Psychically it's possible to interact with beings from all three planes simultaneously. There are also spirits that can physcially pass between the planes. However they don't do this for the purpose of battling. In fact the ones that can pass between the planes serve as messengers and helpers. These might even be thought of as Bodhisattvas if you are familiar with Buddhism. They are typically helpful and have choosen this charge. Although they don't need to have practiced Buddhism, it's just a similar concept. Anyone can become a Bodhisattva.

Although no one remains a Bodhisattva for eternity.

We all play different roles many times.

Finally, and I feel that this is quite important, when I speak of the 'MiddleWorld' I am referring to what we call the physical universe. And this is entirely a HUMAN PERCEPTION.

The perception being that we are in the "middle" of the other two worlds. (the upper and lower worlds).

But this is an arrogant illusion. In truth, all beings no matter where they exist, precieve themselves to be in a "middle world" because there will always be denser engery beings below them, and more highly refined energy beings above them.

You might ask, "Well, who's at the bottom, and who's at the top?"

But that's finite thinking. There is no bottom or top. And no matter where you are, you are always in the "middle" from your perspective.

It's like in this universe. No matter what galaxy you are on all the other galaxies appear to be rushing away from YOU.

So the very idea that there are TWO forces (one at the top, and one at the bottom) that are at war with each other is meaningless. There is no top or bottom in the first place. And everyone percieves themselves to be in the 'middle'.

It's all relative.

I'm not saying that this is the truth of reality, I'm just saying that this is how many shamans view it.

So your question would be meaningless to a shaman.

Makes no sense to me either...

so then why does mankind use it as an excuse to war and a justification of the aftermath?

From what I can see ...one word ... EGO

good and bad, evil and not evil, light and dark, holy or not holy, based on self lone, is built from fear and self preservation of self alone most, which create the "ego" in it's inception???

so ego is but fear, which never go away, as fear is needed and just as valuable in accessing reality as all other emotions, so it is just a matter of what the ego, or fear fight for, the motive of the heart???

if the motive is of one, or of all???

is there fear to fight for self most, or for the goodness for all, which be nothing more than equalness of all, which be the only freedom that exist, as freedom is nothing more than equal for all, if more than one exist???

fear for self try to impose what protect self most, and wish other's to live and think and breath as self wishes, which always destroy self, and other's in it's persuit of self alone, but, fear or love, hate or kind, all emotions as equal, geared and used to protect and fight for all, as equal and one body, difuse what fear alone for self create, or even what hate alone for some create, or kind alone for some create, and turn all things into into wisdom, which is want of happiness for all, which is most equalism for all, which free the insight of one, to insight of all, and show how to then create good and happiness for all, to the maximum extent possible in any situation???

all things good are based in equal???

love is but founded in equal???

kind is but founded upon equal???

caring is but founded upon equal???

good is but founded on equal???

freedom is but founded upon equal???

peace is but founded upon equal???

untiy is but founded upon equal???

equal seen in all things outside of self, create a sight of equal inside, which remove the veil that create the illusion that there is a war against evil, which only first create the war, that make evil to exist???

if one cannot accept what it outside, as equal to itself, then it cannot accept itself, which indeed create what try to stamp out other's???

so it is not that anything spoken is not true, or not as real, but only what is more real???

the only certainty in life, is the sight of what each thought, each word, each action, will create and bring into existence, as of course, man is creating itself all that mankind produce, and only equal sight of other's, can ever envoke the insight from within, to see what all things, that leave "equal" will create???

equal is the very foundation of all morality, or morality as good and bad, evil and good, light and darkness, is but only subjective, and subjective least be the only cure for subjectiveness, which will always lead to impass and disharmony.

peace

Abra...

is "equal" the middle???

that a shaman in past days, could not yet see all of, as if "god" actually only wished for "good alone" to be experienced for and by all, then only one statement and instruction would have been given, all are equal???

all things mortal first base equal as what itself most want at first, until greater insight is learned from "lived human eperience", lived being then "reality" of all things "lived out", that NO INSTRUCTION COULD HAVE EVEN BESTOWED???

it was but for man to first experience the pain of unqeuality in all things, each age of each cycle growing up, just as a child, to learn, to know, and hold, and aquire this power for itself, of how to create equal, not for itself alone, but for ALL, which is peace, and this could never have been so, if all humans had not passed thru the pain called hell on earth, human experience without equality.

what teach wisdom within, is not the lack of emotional or physical pain.

good thing those days are almost past, lol...

peace man...