Topic: Vatican condemning nine-year-old rape victim's abortion
yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:30 AM
hun...i wasn't speaking directly to you at allflowerforyou

i was speaking in general about that part. as far as the pope goes...well i don't get that whole thing anyway lol

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:32 AM
Main Entry: ex·com·mu·ni·ca·tion
Pronunciation: \-ˌmyü-nə-ˈkā-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 : an ecclesiastical censure depriving a person of the rights of church membership
2 : exclusion from fellowship in a group or community

this is mainly a church thing. abortion itself is very traumatic. i hope the child is getting help

MahanMahan's photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:36 AM

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:37 AM
my son is a product of a date rape....and he is my world. when he was 2 i had to get an abortion....because of my health. the baby wouldn't have made it either (or would have not developed). i can see both sides of the argument. abortion is very hard especially for a 9 yr child

MahanMahan's photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:42 AM
Edited by MahanMahan on Thu 03/12/09 05:50 AM

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:43 AM
augh mahan...you blew up the screen lol

no photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:48 AM

my son is a product of a date rape....and he is my world. when he was 2 i had to get an abortion....because of my health. the baby wouldn't have made it either (or would have not developed). i can see both sides of the argument. abortion is very hard especially for a 9 yr child


I agree Yellow, I cannot imagine what that poor child is going through. Part of the thing that bothers me is that, in many people's view, this alleged "man," in the eyes of the church, is getting away with murder. He changed that poor innocent child, forever, she will never be the same. And, he is directly responsible for the death of the baby. There is no justice there. I hope that she at least achieves justice through the criminal system.

As this topic is not about abortion, per se, I'll keep my opinion to myself. However, I agree with Mahan. The Catholic Church is so archaic, it's bordering on barbaric.

MahanMahan's photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:52 AM

augh mahan...you blew up the screen lol


I did no such thing! LOL


yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/12/09 06:11 AM


my son is a product of a date rape....and he is my world. when he was 2 i had to get an abortion....because of my health. the baby wouldn't have made it either (or would have not developed). i can see both sides of the argument. abortion is very hard especially for a 9 yr child


I agree Yellow, I cannot imagine what that poor child is going through. Part of the thing that bothers me is that, in many people's view, this alleged "man," in the eyes of the church, is getting away with murder. He changed that poor innocent child, forever, she will never be the same. And, he is directly responsible for the death of the baby. There is no justice there. I hope that she at least achieves justice through the criminal system.

As this topic is not about abortion, per se, I'll keep my opinion to myself. However, I agree with Mahan. The Catholic Church is so archaic, it's bordering on barbaric.



I agree that anyone that would punish this child even more than what that man did to her is just as wrong. i have never gotten the cathoic church myself. maybe someone here that is catholic can explain why.


no photo
Thu 03/12/09 06:14 AM
I used to be Catholic, born and raised. I can't explain it. I wanted to be an alter "boy" but wasn't allowed. That was the beginning of the end for me. When my parents were divorced, they were ex-communicated. For me, that was the end. The institution of marriage was more important than the 6 miserable people involved. I haven't been back except for weddings and funerals since. And I avoid those when I can get away with it.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/12/09 06:34 AM
i know the mental reasons for it....but what about the physical? i don't see a 9 yr old physically being able to handle a birth. i could be wrong but that is so young....i'm sure that giving birth at that age would hurt her and a baby physically as well

no photo
Thu 03/12/09 07:19 AM
I simply cannot imagine that a 9 year old is physically capable of carrying and birthing a child. I would think it would do incredible damage, perhaps permanent, to her health.

Dan99's photo
Thu 03/12/09 11:45 AM

I simply cannot imagine that a 9 year old is physically capable of carrying and birthing a child. I would think it would do incredible damage, perhaps permanent, to her health.


It could have killed her but the Vatican would probably have been ok with that as it would have been 'natural' causes.

raiderfan_32's photo
Thu 03/12/09 12:46 PM



twisted.



im shocked this thread hasnt inspired the pro lifers to come out and defend themselves.
bigsmile yeah, I was wondering about that too.bigsmileWhere are all the so called "pro-lifers"?bigsmile


what? some decreptide jerkrod figure head of a church I, not only not belong to, couldn't care one iota less about says something stupid, ignorant an heartless and you want the your bedeviled "pro-lifers" come come out and dance for you?

please. people, not even catholics, are the puppets you think them to be..

Foliel's photo
Thu 03/12/09 01:19 PM
This is one of the many reason I turned my back on the church.

She could not have carried the child to term and it probly would have killed the babies as well as the mother. Yet the man that raped her gets away with it as far as the church is concerned.

I normally don't like abortion either but in the case of rape or health issues for both the baby and the mother i have no complaints about it.

Dredz_Hang_Low's photo
Thu 03/12/09 05:55 PM

i know the mental reasons for it....but what about the physical? i don't see a 9 yr old physically being able to handle a birth. i could be wrong but that is so young....i'm sure that giving birth at that age would hurt her and a baby physically as well



Actually the youngest girl on record to have a baby was 5y/o.

http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp

The human body is very resilient. However having a child that young has to do some harm to the normal growth of child and mother.

if it where my daughter she would have an abortion. 5y/o or 9y/o is entirely to young.

907daydreamer's photo
Thu 03/12/09 07:56 PM
hey psssst remember when I asked:

another thing about that article I don't understand...
if abortions are legal in the instance of rape, incest or the health of the mother
and these doctors performed the abortion for all three reasons
why are they just now being excommunicated?
I assume they have preformed other abortions in the past
and didn't just start because of this 9 year olds pregnancy


????
did I miss something or is there no explanation?
had these doctors never performed abortions before?

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 03/12/09 08:00 PM

hey psssst remember when I asked:

another thing about that article I don't understand...
if abortions are legal in the instance of rape, incest or the health of the mother
and these doctors performed the abortion for all three reasons
why are they just now being excommunicated?
I assume they have preformed other abortions in the past
and didn't just start because of this 9 year olds pregnancy


????
did I miss something or is there no explanation?
had these doctors never performed abortions before?


i don't follow excommunications so i don't know. my assumption would be that they had been excommunicated or something in general

907daydreamer's photo
Thu 03/12/09 08:03 PM
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Dredz_Hang_Low's photo
Thu 03/12/09 08:05 PM

hey psssst remember when I asked:

another thing about that article I don't understand...
if abortions are legal in the instance of rape, incest or the health of the mother
and these doctors performed the abortion for all three reasons
why are they just now being excommunicated?
I assume they have preformed other abortions in the past
and didn't just start because of this 9 year olds pregnancy


????
did I miss something or is there no explanation?
had these doctors never performed abortions before?


i would imagine the church has a standing excommunicate for doctors and organizations that support and perform abortion.