Topic: What do you truly know about the message of Mohamad.
AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 04:54 PM
I see many people posting quotes from the books of the bible.

Soo I am kinda wondering if you also have an understanding of the book
which is supposed to carry the message of Mohamad.

you might be suprised at the simularities.

Autumn_queen's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:01 PM
I read the Qu'ran and the Bible.

They are all pretty much the same religion just varied versions of
Monotheism.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 05:09 PM
Iam just waiting for someone to quote to me that I am the son of satan
from the koran.

Or that I cant' reach the kingdom of god lest I first accept Mohamad.

Or that Mohamad's message is the only one and I am an infidel cause I go
right to god in my prayers stead of praying to some prophet.

Autumn_queen's photo
Wed 05/02/07 07:54 PM
um...no.
If you are a person "of the book" (Judiasm or Christianity)
You will be accepted into heaven as well.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 08:02 PM
I follow neither path.

Yet I know I am accepted into heaven.

MikeMontana's photo
Wed 05/02/07 08:49 PM
You like to stir up trouble! Keep up the good work.

From my understanding, Mohammed brought no new ideas into the Abrhamic
religion. Even the 'revelations' about 'the real' Jesus were already
well established non-catholic traditions.

However, my core issue with Islam is two parts. One, the established
concept of 'abborgation'. The Koran has several contradictions within
it, on a major level. Islam says, "Well God changed his mind, and
whatever he said last is what remains" [my simplification, not theirs].
When it was written that "Christians are friends and protectors of
Believers", then later abbrogated to say "...any christian you find is
not a real christian, so they should be enslaved" is a disturbing
problem. It gets worse from there.

Secondly, the problem with Islam is the on-going determination that it
is scripturally declared by 'God' that people must be slaughtered in the
name of Islam as a perpetual process. You will say "but, christians been
killing ppl for thousands of years in the name of 'Jesus'". I dont deny
this, but, no where in the gospel is there any support for this as a
"religious vow". Within Islam, it is.

Islam says all men are brothers. The fine print says "all ISLAMIC men
are brothers, jews are monkeys, and pretty much everyone else, women
included, is en-slavable'.

Interpretations of christianity are filled with horrors, but, the core
message doesnt support institutionalized racisim and genocide as Islam
does.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 09:07 PM
Can you quote me a piece of that.

I have never seen those statements.

MikeMontana's photo
Wed 05/02/07 09:14 PM
Koran - concerning Jews as Monkeys:

"... They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has
fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine..." (5:60);

"...You have surely known the end of those from amongst you who
transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, in consequence of which we
condemned them: Be ye like apes, despised" (2:65)

"when, instead of amending, they became more persistent in the pursuit
of that which they were forbidden, we condemned them: Be ye as apes,
despised" (7:166)

MikeMontana's photo
Wed 05/02/07 09:20 PM
Concerning Sex-Slaves:

"And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who
have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war)" (4:24 also Suras 4:3
and 33:50)

...i suppose that is fitting enough example.

no photo
Wed 05/02/07 09:29 PM
Hadith Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:

Allah’s Apostle said, “You will fight with the Jews till some of them
will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O
‘Abdullah ! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 05/02/07 10:14 PM
Spider> that is not the koran. That is a book written by a 'learned
man' or one of those that step up to lead factions within Islam.

As with many books within the bible. Written by another and purporting
to be holy.

MikeMontana's photo
Wed 05/02/07 10:19 PM
OOOh +1 for the Adventure Man, caught the "Hadith" slipping in under the
radar! Good catch.