i cant stop my employer from taking out these taxes. i could increse my exemptions...and stop filing taxes.

that would last a couple of years..and then i would get audited and my wages would be garnished for back taxes.

I bet that all the people who claim the tax system is unconstitutional and can be ignored

I bet they actually pay their own taxes

Yes, because even if you put in 10, you have already chosen to voluntarily participate, and now, can not back down. Now you must file, either to comply or to get your overpaid taxes back.

probably work under the table....(i cant say i blame them) but it is not an option for me.

actually, the irs makes the employer withold your taxes. they can get in trouble for not doing it.

Yes, sir, and that is all that is called "voluntary". The principle of this scam is to declare something to be a free choice, and then to force someone else to exclude you if you choose the wrong option.

There is also a connection to SSN. That is why they are forcing folks to get the SSN for the babies.

What I meant here is that if you do not have the SSN, you cannot pay taxes. Read (not need to).

s once we have a social security number...we are jsut at the mercy of the irs.

i wonder when they started giving out social security numbers.

I think around 1935.

A SSN, is a proof and an acknowledgment of your belonging to the socialist system. It is like a deal. You give everything you have to the bureaucrats, and they will make sure you're alive and well.

This deal is still voluntary, just as it was, when it was shamelessly instituted by that socialist detractor FDR.

But, the voluntarity of it ends when your mother signs you up for the socialism.

When my child was born, the hospital had me register for their SSN.

Just the Facts
1. The United States Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1, states "The Congress shall have the Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States."

2. The Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution, ratified on February 3, 1913, states, "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on income, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

3. Congress used the power granted by the Constitution and Sixteenth Amendment and made laws requiring all individuals to pay tax.

4. Congress has delegated to the IRS the responsibility of administering and enforcing these laws known as the Internal Revenue Code. Congress enacts the tax laws, IRS enforces them.

5. Courts have historically held there are no Constitutional or legal grounds for failure to file tax returns and failure to pay taxes.

6. The term voluntary compliance means that each of us is responsible for filing a tax return when required and for determining and paying the correct amount of tax.

7. Failing to file required returns and failing to pay taxes may result in criminal prosecution and/or civil penalties.
8. While taxpayers have the right to contest their tax liabilities in the courts, taxpayers do not have the right to violate and disobey tax laws.

Commonly Used Frivolous Arguments:
Unscrupulous individuals and promoters advocating willful noncompliance with the tax laws have used a variety of false or misleading arguments for not paying taxes
Here are some of the most common arguments

* Constitutional Argument: Filing a Form 1040 violates the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination or the Fourth Amendment right to privacy.
The Truth: The courts have consistently held that disclosure of the type of routine financial information required on a tax return does not incriminate an individual or violate the right to privacy.
* Religious Arguments: Use the freedom of religion clause of the First Amendment by taking a vow of poverty or fraudulently claiming charitable contributions of 50% or more of your adjusted gross income.
The Truth: Claiming a vow of poverty or claiming fraudulent charitable contributions to a church for money which is ultimately used to pay personal expenses is not legal.
* Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Arguments: The filing and paying of tax is voluntary.The Internal Revenue Code doesn't apply to me because I am not a government employee nor I am a resident of a sovereign state.
The Truth: The tax law is found in Title 26 of the United States Code. Section 6012 of the Code makes clear that only individuals whose income falls below a specified level do not have to file returns. While our tax system is based on self-assessment and reporting, compliance with tax laws is mandatory. State citizenship does not negate the applicability of the IRC on individuals working and residing in the United States.
* Wages are not Income Arguments: Labor worth a certain amount is exchanged for money worth the same amount and therefore there is no income to be taxed.
The Truth: The arguments that taxes on income derived from property are unconstitutional, or that income is limited to gain or profit, are consistently dismissed by the courts. Congress has determined (through the IRC), that all income is taxable unless specifically excluded by some part of the Internal Revenue Code.
* Forming a Trust Argument: Forming a business trust to hold your income and assets will avoid taxes. A family estate trust will allow you to reduce or eliminate your tax liability
The Truth: Establishing a trust, foreign or domestic, for the sole purpose of hiding your income and assets from taxation is illegal and will not absolve you of your tax liability

you do know the illuminati is dead right?

u cant even enroll a child in school without a social security number.

did people pay taxes prior to 1935??

That is what I meant. Same scam is perpetrated here (as with employer taking withholdings). It has the same 4 elements:


1 The choice is voluntary.
2 Public is not informed that it is so.
3 A third party is used to strongly suggest to participate.
4 There is no way to back out.

I think it goes back to the 1700's.

I didn't think that I had a choice. And...I just had a baby so I wasn't exactly "with the program".

That is what I meant. Am I off today or something.

That is exactly why they do it in the hospitals. The mother is not in the position to think of scams by the government. She isn't informed that she has a choice.

yes but without a social security number...you might as well live in BFE, never plan on going to school or having a real job