They should of had medical insurance to cover it. If you can't pay don't buy.



OMG!!!! should've, would've could've!!!! everyone is just trying to get by in this world the best they can without being stomped by the man. your apathy is exactly part of what's wrong with the country right now and why it won't get fixed unless people stop thinking like you do.

You quoted me instead of her. I'm on your side.



Why are there sides? I think that we all want the best for our country.

oh sorry, i didnt mean to quote you lol

My quote got messed up. I was asking why there had to be sides. We're all in this together and want the best for our country.

well now you people lost me with the quotey thingy

me too lol. lets land it in the hudson and start over again lol.

I was once told by a very old friend at a 103 that the best thing to do is to sit on your money. Don't put it in a bank, don't invest in anything, and don't trust anyone.

Earn your money and sit on it. Don't let anyone touch it.

He owned a 400 acred farm with a huge house.

So I guess it worked for him

Let us face it the people have been irresponsible when getting loans on something they couldn't afford or pay back.

Those who offered the loans shouldn't have offered either.

Earn your money and try to save each day.

I know of a waiter who earns 150 dollars a day. She has been saving 20$ a day for 15 years.

Add that up and you will see she is doing better then most families who owe somekind of money to somekind of loan agency.

The last time I talked with her she mentioned on investing in gold, silver, or platinum. She hasn't decided yet.

Now that is smart in my opinion and that is the "old fashioned way".

Unless you are somekind of wall street guru or somekind of financial expert then that would be probably the best way to go about this.

Well what it is worth, I believe as a nation we have all been irresponsible in many ways.

very well said

This is the most closely guarded secret. Sit on it, but sit on it in gold.

Simply by sitting on a dollar since 1913, you'd still have a dollar. But it ain't the same dollar anymore. It has lost about 95% of it's value. This is how government has gotten that 95% from you, for all their largess. This is why deficits and debt doesn't matter, because as they owe more, they owe it in cheaper and cheaper money too. Their real outcome isn't changing. But things get spent. And this is the value that comes from that 95%.

So, sit on it, but sit on gold. If you did that with that same dollar in 1913, you'd have something like 50 dollars now.

Sitting on gold, is highly against government wishes. This is why they tax it at 35%, if you sell it with papers. This is the most discouraged "investment". But, in actuality, it is not an investment at all, you keep the same purchasing power, and yet, you are being taxed on it, huh? Interesting, right? This is because the government considers everyone their slave, subject. You supposed to sit on dollars, and be available for them stealing your purchasing power. By sitting on gold, you deny them your participation in a crime against you. This is why they punish you with 35%, but they call it "tax", knowing, that most people can't tell holdings from investment and from speculation.

Money is worth what you think it is worth.

It's really that simple.

Money is trust.

Economies run and either grow based on promises or die based on fear.

Even gold is worthless if people do not trust in it's worth.

Panic and fear kill the momentum of trust...printed notes...gold...salt...bits of shell...all loose their worth and pull the holders of these instruments into deeper cycles of fear and a self fulling spiral that further devalues the instruments.

This spiral of fear brings down not just governments but human beings.

Gold, salt, shells or land (as we have seen) clenched tightly in a fearful cache will not save you or your country.

Had to quote this for future. You're definitely do not qualify to be my adviser on wealth.

My question is why support a currency that isn't stable in the first place? If 100% of it's value is merely based on faith then why was it started? We had a stable system, universal, honest. No interest had to be paid whenever money got circulated. Why replace it with a system that could crumble in an instant?

What you are saying is we should put all our faith in this paper, and spend it openly and often? Just wondering...

Wow 35% is amazing for taxing.

Now would that go for platinum or silver also?


Thank you for the information.

there was a rabbi, i can't remember his name, but he laughed at us because he couldn't understand how stupid we were to accept a monetary system riddled with debt that was not to our benefit but to a certain few's benefit instead. I tend to agree with him. anyone who wonders about how money is made, and to whom it benefits, go to http://zionistprotocols.com/?p=40 and listen to the video that starts. it is called "the creature from jekyll island" it will make you think.

You know, I have no idea.

You may want to keep one thing in mind: Are you into commodities or money? If money, then it is only gold. If commodities, then it could be platinum, silver or lead.

The difference?

Money has to have two characteristics (among others to be sure):

1) Government must not be able to create it.

Gold has been created artificially, by both US and Soviet governments, but in both cases millions were spent to create a few molecules of gold, that worth may-be a buck. So, in practice, gold can not be created.

Silver and Platinum can be created cheaper, but in practice, it still makes no sense, as they would better be off not creating it.

2) It must not be used, but instead stored, and there must be enormously huge stockpiles of it as compared to what could be added any given year.

Gold, all of it, ever mined, exists in stock today. We can not destroy gold with physics conditions that prevail on earth, and so even Pharaoh's gold, even Solomon's gold is still around. This is why, even if there is a huge discovery of gold, it is bound to be negligible as compared to existing stock, and thus, the rate of inflation in gold is about 2% which will attempt to approach zero, as more and more gold is mined. 2% a year at best.

Silver is used up, so any discovery reduces the value of metal you are holding severely. Platinum doesn't exist is qualities that would render yearly mined quantities negligible.

robert giasake and donald trump made basically the same argument nogames. they taught me that the rate of decrease in value of the paper money doesn't exceed the rate of interest that we get by saving these fake dollars. in other words, when you put money in the bank to save it, the interest that you collect only slows the rate of devaluation, it doesn't give you any gains. unless you want to think of a slower devaluation as a gain lol.

The people I know, who are heavily into stocks, are too justifying their choice by nothing else but the last available option. They know, it is nothing but a slower devaluation, but there is nothing else they can do. There is no escape for a middle class. Poor can save in gold, rich can do that as well, as they are able to transcend the international boundaries of forced devaluation. But the middle class can't. They don't have enough to have an above-zero ROI after all the costs associated with hiding the money from communists.

After stock profits, and taxes, they have gained less than what inflation takes away. Most people look at CPI numbers and believe it is the inflation, while real inflation numbers in USA is about 14-20% a year. It is a confiscatory devaluation.

Same with 401K, the IRA, etc., etc. All these "mechanisms of saving" are designed by communist government as nothing but traps, where you would put your energy to be drained at the will of the government.

Nothing is out there that is higher than the rate of inflation. Except Bernie Madoff, of course. Which brings anyone reasonable and minding of is business back to withdrawal from fiat money system, usually through gold.

you are absolutely right nogames. wow, i feel like i'm gaining a habit of congratulating you lol.

Thank you.

There are quite a few folks here on this tiny forum, that are trying to find out how this whole system really works, like you an I do as well. This is either this mingle forum is an unusual place, or that may-be people in general are showing more interest these days than before.

I think the word is really getting out there, which i'm very grateful. when i first found out about all of this, i was panicking because i thought i was the only one that knew about it lol.