Topic: Facebook Information
Lynann's photo
Mon 02/16/09 03:15 PM
Here's a piece of information from The Consumerist you all might want to consider if you now have facebook or are considering starting an account.

I think facebook like many other on-line businesses figures no one reads terms of service or user agreements. Honestly I am guilty of clicking without reading myself.

At any rate...hope this info is useful to folks.

http://consumerist.com/5150175/facebooks-new-terms-of-service-we-can-do-anything-we-want-with-your-content-forever?skyline=true&s=x

Facebook's terms of service (TOS) used to say that when you closed an account on their network, any rights they claimed to the original content you uploaded would expire. Not anymore.

Now, anything you upload to Facebook can be used by Facebook in any way they deem fit, forever, no matter what you do later. Want to close your account? Good for you, but Facebook still has the right to do whatever it wants with your old content. They can even sublicense it if they want.

You hereby grant Facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to (a) use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute (through multiple tiers), any User Content you (i) Post on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof subject only to your privacy settings or (ii) enable a user to Post, including by offering a Share Link on your website and (b) to use your name, likeness and image for any purpose, including commercial or advertising, each of (a) and (b) on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof.

That language is the same as in the old TOS, but there was an important couple of lines at the end of that section that have been removed:

You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. If you choose to remove your User Content, the license granted above will automatically expire, however you acknowledge that the Company may retain archived copies of your User Content.

Furthermore, the "Termination" section near the end of the TOs states:

The following sections will survive any termination of your use of the Facebook Service: Prohibited Conduct, User Content, Your Privacy Practices, Gift Credits, Ownership; Proprietary Rights, Licenses, Submissions, User Disputes; Complaints, Indemnity, General Disclaimers, Limitation on Liability, Termination and Changes to the Facebook Service, Arbitration, Governing Law; Venue and Jurisdiction and Other.

Make sure you never upload anything you don't feel comfortable giving away forever, because it's Facebook's now.

Oh, you also agree to arbitration, naturally. Have fun with that.

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 02/16/09 10:39 PM
if it's in the TOS and someone didn't bother to read what they are agreeing to...who's fault is that? can't blame facebook for those that don't read what they agree too

transientmind's photo
Tue 02/17/09 11:33 PM
Found this morning at the top of my Facebook Page:

"Over the past few days, we have received a lot of good feedback about the new terms we posted two weeks ago. Because of this response, we have decided to return to our previous Terms of Use while we resolve the issues that people have raised."

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:44 AM
we have the option to use the services or not. if someone doesn't like the terms...they don't have to use it. those that choose not to read what they are getting into...doesn't need to complain after. they have no one to blame but themselves

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Wed 02/18/09 02:58 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 02/18/09 02:59 PM

we have the option to use the services or not. if someone doesn't like the terms...they don't have to use it. those that choose not to read what they are getting into...doesn't need to complain after. they have no one to blame but themselves
Terms change and notification of these changes are dealt with in different ways. Its good to know regardless of if you originally read them or not.

PS I assume the worse on every internet site in regards to information, one must do so to be a savvy internet traveler.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 02/18/09 03:06 PM


we have the option to use the services or not. if someone doesn't like the terms...they don't have to use it. those that choose not to read what they are getting into...doesn't need to complain after. they have no one to blame but themselves
Terms change and notification of these changes are dealt with in different ways. Its good to know regardless of if you originally read them or not.

PS I assume the worse on every internet site in regards to information, one must do so to be a savvy internet traveler.


drinker

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Wed 02/18/09 03:19 PM

Found this morning at the top of my Facebook Page:

"Over the past few days, we have received a lot of good feedback about the new terms we posted two weeks ago. Because of this response, we have decided to return to our previous Terms of Use while we resolve the issues that people have raised."


Yeah, apparently that didn't go over too well. Guess we shall see what happens next.

franshade's photo
Wed 02/18/09 03:41 PM
Facebooks changes their TOS

(CNN) -- Under fire from tens of thousands of users, the social networking site Facebook said early Wednesday it is reverting to its old policy on user information -- for now.
Backlash against Facebook began after a consumer advocate site flagged Facebook's policy change.

Backlash against Facebook began after a consumer advocate site flagged Facebook's policy change.

The site posted a brief message on users' home pages that said it was returning to its previous "Terms of Use" policy "while we resolve the issues that people have raised."

The "Terms of Use" is the legalese tacked on to the bottom of most Web sites that details what the site's owners can do with the information that users provide.

Facebook, the Web's most popular social networking site, has been caught in a content-rights battle after revealing earlier this month that it was granting itself permanent rights to users' photos, wall posts and other information even after a user closed an account.

The popular site allows users to create personal profiles where they can then connect with one another, upload photos and share links. The site boasts more than 150 million active users.

Member backlash against Facebook began over the weekend after a consumer advocate Web site, The Consumerist, flagged a change made to Facebook's policy earlier in the month.

The company deleted a sentence from the old Terms of Use. That sentence said Facebook could not claim any rights to original content that a user uploaded once the user closed his or her account.

It replaced it with: "You may remove your User Content from the Site at any time. ... (H)owever, you acknowledge that the Company may retain archived copies of your User Content."

In response, Chris Walters wrote in the Consumerist post, "Make sure you never upload anything you don't feel comfortable giving away forever, because it's Facebook's now."

Thousands of indignant members either canceled their accounts or created online petitions. Among them were more than 64,000 who joined a group called "The People Against the new Terms of Service." iReport.com: Too much information posted online?

On Monday, Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg tried to quell the controversy by saying the company's philosophy is that "people own their information and control who they share it with."

But members were not appeased because the site did not fix its Terms of Use. The company, in its post Wednesday, said it was returning to its previous Terms of Use because of the "feedback" it had received.

"As Mark expressed in his blog post on Monday, it was never our intention to confuse people or make them uneasy about sharing on Facebook," company spokesman Barry Schnitt said in a blog post. "I also want to be very clear that Facebook does not, nor have we ever, claimed ownership over people's content. Your content belongs to you." iReport.com: Your thoughts on Facebook's about-face

Schnitt said the company is in the process of rewording its Terms of Use in "simple language that defines Facebook's rights much more specifically."

"Well that worked pretty fast," wrote member Al Reford of Vancouver, British Columbia. "Numbers count when giving feedback :)"

And Shahrzad Grami of St. Paul, Minnesota, added: "YAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! nice job guys! i won't be canceling my account after all."