I have heard so many differing opinions about the Patriot Act that I got
curious.

Please feel free to post what you know about how it effects our lives
and freedoms.

Please post facts and your interpretation of that fact not conjecture
and inuendo.

I look forward to reading what you have to say.

Frankly, the Patriot Act freaks me right the ---- out. You use the
words "domestic terrorism" in any criminal case- and it's over. No
trials, no reviews. Unless the claim was so obviously fraudulent that
the Prosecutor would be sumarily disbared.


Any explosive device with enough power to kill a person more than 10
feet away, or destroy a vehicle the size of a small car, consists of a
"security threat". This means an illegal firecracker could get you a
trip to some prison that's not even in 50 states.


Did you know that eight militias were shut down right after the patriot
act. For those who don't know- militias are LEGAL paramilitary groups in
the US. Constitutionally protected civilian minutemen, of sorts. Now, I
don't like most of them- but they're *protected*- so long as they commit
no crimes. And even if they do commit a crime, they're protected as long
as they hand over the criminals.


The Patriot Act challenges almost every constitutionally protected
right we have- and I don't like that idea. Even if, thus far, it hasn't
affected me in any direct sence.

Is there a way you can post the exact wording of the Act that backs up
the post you just made?

I have been attempting to find this information and keep getting sites
that make claims but so far have not found a site that backs those
claims up with the Act itself.

Well, this is a nice link.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/conspiracy/InsideThePatriotAct.htm


It also provides a link to the actual patriot act, which I'm going to
re-review just for the thrill of it.

Ah, great.... that one's a dud. Well, off to the hunt again.

Well you will probably not like this link but it works for me and puts
in in laymans terms.

http://www.infowars.com/print/patriot_act/alexs_analysis.htm

I don't want it in laymans terms. I want it in the same terms it was
written in. I want it in the terms the courts will use when they
enforce it.

so I can be prepared if it is as bad as some people say it is.

Yeah. What is WITH this. I went to the Library of Congress and can't
find this document. This is freakier than anything that could have been
written on the Act itself.

well the original is hundreds and hundreds of pages long so it aint
gonna be real easy to find and post.

And you sure arent gonna be reading it in a few minutes.

It's not actually "hundreds" of pages. And I don't expect to read it
all in one night or anything. But I'm not exactly stupid, and I'm
familiar with "legalese"- so I should be able to muddle through in a day
or two.

But I can't find it. And the Library of Congress is *supposed* to have
every bill or document ever passed into law.

That was my problem. I could not find it. There are plenty of
misinformation sites but I can not find the act itself.

Very interesting.

Interesting? More like disturbing.

I agree quite disturbing.

here is better view

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ056.107.pdf

googled

usa patriot act of 2001

Thanks adj.

that is it.

Do you know if congress has enacted any amendments to the original.

not off hand but check this out

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED.—Section 2331 of title 18,
United States Code, is amended—
(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking ‘‘by assassination
or kidnapping’’ and inserting ‘‘by mass destruction, assassination,
or kidnapping’’;
(2) in paragraph (3), by striking ‘‘and’’;
(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end
and inserting ‘‘; and’’; and
(4) by adding at the end the following:
‘‘(5) the term ‘domestic terrorism’ means activities that—
‘‘(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are
a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or
of any State;
‘‘(B) appear to be intended—
‘‘(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
‘‘(ii) to influence the policy of a government by
intimidation or coercion; or
‘‘(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by
mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
‘‘(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction
of the United States.’’.
(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT.—Section 3077(1) of title 18,
United States Code, is amended to read as follows:
‘‘(1) ‘act of terrorism’ means an act of domestic or international
terrorism as defined in section 2331;’’.

check out 5 a
speeding can be considered dangerous to human life can it not

just a thought

but hey what do i know

Ok. Looks like this one's the real deal. Of course, I'd still like a
confirmable legal source. Not hard to edit a few things.

i put in the link above

or google

usa patriot act of 2001

you can get the 2003 version by changing the year

usa patriot act of 2003

Right at the begining of the document.

Sec 2.

Check that out.

You can't challenge the whole document in court. You have to challenge
each seperate part of it. If you win your challenge that part of the
document is considered 'Severed' from the rest of the document.

ok that is just my read. Someone please tell me I am wrong (and why).