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Or go ahead and show how I am misinterpreting. I am simply confused. That was taken from John. It wasnt as if I took two entirely different books.
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Or go ahead and show how I am misinterpreting. I am simply confused. That was taken from John. It wasnt as if I took two entirely different books. Krimsa, If I showed you that there was no contradiction, then you would simply go back to your grab bag of "contradictions" and post that one. For every refutation, you would supply a new "contradiction" or simply argue that my rebuttal was "stupid" or that I was "wrong" or I was "twisting" the scriptures. There is absolutely nothing that I can do to convince you, because your pride won't allow you to admit that you are wrong. And your absolute terror at the thought of there being a cosmic judge would prevent you from entertaining the thought that the Bible is accurate. I am tempted to show you why you are wrong on those two verse, but I must remind myself that it will do nothing but tempt you into more posting and baiting and childish taunts, all the while you will pretend to have no ability to comprehend my arguments or evidence. Sorry, but I'm not interested. 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 01/07/09 07:30 AM
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Or go ahead and show how I am misinterpreting. I am simply confused. That was taken from John. It wasnt as if I took two entirely different books. Krimsa, If I showed you that there was no contradiction, then you would simply go back to your grab bag of "contradictions" and post that one. For every refutation, you would supply a new "contradiction" or simply argue that my rebuttal was "stupid" or that I was "wrong" or I was "twisting" the scriptures. There is absolutely nothing that I can do to convince you, because your pride won't allow you to admit that you are wrong. And your absolute terror at the thought of there being a cosmic judge would prevent you from entertaining the thought that the Bible is accurate. I am tempted to show you why you are wrong on those two verse, but I must remind myself that it will do nothing but tempt you into more posting and baiting and childish taunts, all the while you will pretend to have no ability to comprehend my arguments or evidence. Sorry, but I'm not interested.
Yet you are interested enough to take the time to read my posts and make what could most definitely be interpreted as "baiting and taunting." remarks. Exactly what you are accusing me of doing right now. What have I done but merely point out a couple of conflicting statements made in the bible. What have any of the non-believers done over the months? Every time we post a blatant contradiction in the bible (using the actual passages) you insist that it is not actually contradictory at all and that we are merely "angry Atheists" or whatever the insult de jour is. I ask once more. Explain how either one of these contradictions is not in fact a contradiction. |
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I would have to agree.....and remember you can take any scripture and believe it's a contradiction as I can take that same scripture and show you why it so so so is not. No one said it was an easy book the Bible....but if your going to study and know it...you have to do so as a whole not just take bits and pieces and make it fit what "you" think....Because that is just not the way the Bible works.
I have a lil test for you Krisma...My teachers hate when I do this...But for some reason it always does. So lets do a test...If you have a bible laying around...I want you to pick it up and let it fall open...then I want you to come back here and tell us what scriptures it fell open two...both pages....and then we will take it from there... I shall return. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 01/07/09 07:29 AM
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I have a lil test for you Krisma...My teachers hate when I do this...But for some reason it always does. So lets do a test...If you have a bible laying around...I want you to pick it up and let it fall open...then I want you to come back here and tell us what scriptures it fell open two...both pages....and then we will take it from there.. .
Yes I have a bible here. What I do is go through and read random passages. If I see something I like, I mark it with a little green sticky. Just to be fair, I have plenty of things I like in the bible. If I see something absurd, I mark that also. If I see violence, I mark that. So on and so forth. Thats what I have been doing since being informed I need to read the bible. |
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Or go ahead and show how I am misinterpreting. I am simply confused. That was taken from John. It wasnt as if I took two entirely different books. Krimsa, If I showed you that there was no contradiction, then you would simply go back to your grab bag of "contradictions" and post that one. For every refutation, you would supply a new "contradiction" or simply argue that my rebuttal was "stupid" or that I was "wrong" or I was "twisting" the scriptures. There is absolutely nothing that I can do to convince you, because your pride won't allow you to admit that you are wrong. And your absolute terror at the thought of there being a cosmic judge would prevent you from entertaining the thought that the Bible is accurate. I am tempted to show you why you are wrong on those two verse, but I must remind myself that it will do nothing but tempt you into more posting and baiting and childish taunts, all the while you will pretend to have no ability to comprehend my arguments or evidence. Sorry, but I'm not interested.
Yet you are interested enough to take the time to read my posts and make what could most definitely be interpreted as "baiting and taunting." remarks. Exactly what you are accusing me of doing right now. What have I done but merely point out a couple of conflicting statements made in the bible. What have any of the non-believers done over the months? Every time we post a blatant contradiction in the bible (using the actual passages) you insist that it is not actually contradictory at all and that we are merely "angry Atheists" or whatever the insult de jour is. I ask once more. Explain how either one of these contradictions is not in fact a contradiction. What can I say, it's your MO. |
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Its my MO to simply ask questions and use passages taken directly from the bible? Yes I guess so.
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Why worry about it.
It matters not if one or the other (or both) are right... It matters not HOW one got here... What truly matters is what one does with the time gifted to us... I am here... When I look back at (here) I would like to see that I have done something great with this gift. |
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Wed 01/07/09 10:53 AM
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John the Baptist's Testimony About Jesus
22After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be baptized. 24(This was before John was put in prison.) 25An argument developed between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of ceremonial washing. 26They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan—the one you testified about—well, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him." 27To this John replied, "A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. 28You yourselves can testify that I said, 'I am not the Christ[j] but am sent ahead of him.' 29The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. 30He must become greater; I must become less. 31"The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. 32He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. 34For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God[k] gives the Spirit without limit. 35The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. 36Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, Note: It claims spent time with his disciples and baptized...although Jesus was there he did not perform the baptizing himself. So again not a contradiction Krisma just not understand what you are reading...Now if it would of said Jesus spent time with his disciples and then "Jesus Baptized" ok then you would have conflict...but that is not what it says and so once again no contradiction. Jesus did not baptize!! |
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So did you do as I asked Krisma?
I have a lil test for you Krisma...My teachers hate when I do this...But for some reason it always does. So lets do a test...If you have a bible laying around...I want you to pick it up and let it fall open...then I want you to come back here and tell us what scriptures it fell open two...both pages....and then we will take it from there.. .
Yes I have a bible here. What I do is go through and read random passages. If I see something I like, I mark it with a little green sticky. Just to be fair, I have plenty of things I like in the bible. If I see something absurd, I mark that also. If I see violence, I mark that. So on and so forth. Thats what I have been doing since being informed I need to read the bible. |
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Why worry about it. It matters not if one or the other (or both) are right... It matters not HOW one got here... What truly matters is what one does with the time gifted to us... I am here... When I look back at (here) I would like to see that I have done something great with this gift. I totally agree...but I also feel in my heart of hearts if she can see why there are not contradictions as she originally felt there was a lessons learned...then all good too. |
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Feral its still a little sketchy at best. I will meet you half way. There are two different explanations to arrive at in the case of Jesus’ baptisms. Either He baptized believers personally, in the beginning, and then delegated the responsibility to his disciples later; or, his disciples had done all of the baptizing “in his name”.
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Feral its still a little sketchy at best. I will meet you half way. There are two different explanations to arrive at in the case of Jesus’ baptisms. Either He baptized believers personally, in the beginning, and then delegated the responsibility to his disciples later; or, his disciples had done all of the baptizing “in his name”. Jesus did not baptize.....plain and simple....how is that sketcy at all....The disciples learning to baptize was so they they could go out and teach and to baptize. John had been baptizing in the Jordan River. One day Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and asked John to baptize him John protested because he felt that Jesus was the one who should be baptizing him. But Jesus told him that they needed to do this to fulfill all righteousness. It was the right thing to do. So John baptized him in the river. Immediately after he was baptized, as he was praying, the heavens were opened and a dove came down and rested on Jesus. It was the Spirit of God in the form of a bird that had come down to show who Jesus was. Jesus saw it and John also saw the dove. Suddenly there was a voice from heaven saying, "You are my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased". The dove and the voice of God were a sign to John that Jesus was the Messiah who had been promised. |
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We dont know that Jesus never baptized anyone feral. Notice that John 4:2 says “baptized not”, not “never did baptize”, so the matter is uncertain based on this verse.
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Edited by
feralcatlady
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Wed 01/07/09 11:44 AM
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NOT means just that....not never did......sorry but you want to just even bring proven non contradictions.....contradictions K.....it's just not possible...there are no contradictions of God love only humans.
I am sorry but I have taken what you asked and proved no contradiction....so won't get to argue about it... |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 01/07/09 11:45 AM
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Well you were saying that he NEVER baptized and that is not true. We cant tell if he ever did because that verse is somewhat ambiguous. There is still a contradiction
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In this passage, first it says He baptized, then it says that He Himself didn’t. These statements together infer that to say “Jesus baptized” meant “the disciples of Jesus baptized”. It is somewhat like saying “The U.S. won the war” even though it was specifically won by the individual soldiers operating as part of the military unit.
Taking John 3 in its entirety into consideration, it is highly probable that Jesus Himself at least baptized some people in the beginning of His ministry. |
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Ive got another contradiction. Can God be tempted? NO James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man. YES Exodus 17:2 Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD? 
Now take it further even in James 1:13-16 13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. 16Don't be deceived, my dear brothers. 17Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. 18He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. So again take that one lil piece of scripture krisma and you can make it whatever you like...But the stone hard cold truth is that there is no contradiction...... Exodus 17:2 Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, Give us water that we may drink. And Moses said unto them, Why chide ye with me? wherefore do ye tempt the LORD? When they are speaking of this Krisma it is not being used in the context that the Lord is really being tested like you are thinking of it....It is saying it in the context that the whole Israelite community was was questioning that God would provide for them. See this is what I am always saying to you people....you can't take one teeny itty bit of scripture and then twist it to fit what you want...You have to take the scripture as a whole and read it as such...read the whole scripture Exodus 17:1-4 and then you will see the context in which it is used and in the right way. NO CONTRADICTION And these also? Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God. Matthew 4:7, Luke 4:12 Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? How come you are allowed to twist and we arent? 
You aren't. You are proving the point. God is not tempted by man. |
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We were discussing contradictions in the bible Eljay. Please follow along.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 01/07/09 12:19 PM
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Taking John 3 in its entirety into consideration, it is highly probable that Jesus Himself at least baptized some people in the beginning of His ministry.
Isnt that what I said? We can not tell if he did or he didnt baptize anyone. It was you that said that he didnt for certain. I told you we cant tell based on that passage. Krimsa said: Feral its still a little sketchy at best. I will meet you half way. There are two different explanations to arrive at in the case of Jesus’ baptisms. Either He baptized believers personally, in the beginning, and then delegated the responsibility to his disciples later; or, his disciples had done all of the baptizing “in his name”.
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