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Topic: All out war
Lynann's photo
Tue 12/30/08 08:39 AM
Where's the outrage? Bombing isn't selective.

'All-out war' declared on Hamas
Israel expands list of bombing targets, creates 'military zone' around Gaza

JERUSALEM, Dec. 29 - Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak declared "an all-out war against Hamas" on Monday as fighter jets raked the Gaza Strip with bombs for the third straight day and Palestinian fighters sent dozens of rockets flying deep into Israeli territory.

The Palestinian death toll rose to 364, according to Palestinian medical officials. The Israeli death toll stood at four, including three people killed in rocket fire Monday. One of the rockets hit a bus stop in Ashdod, a coastal community 23 miles north of Gaza, another sign that Hamas is launching longer-range rockets than it did before a six-month truce expired Dec. 19.

Israel sealed off an area around Gaza on Monday, declaring it a "closed military zone," amid indications that the army may be preparing for a ground offensive. Meanwhile, Israeli jets continued to strike targets across the narrow coastal strip, including a security compound and the homes of suspected Hamas operatives.

While previous Israeli assaults on Gaza have pinpointed crews of Hamas rocket launchers and stores of weapons, the attacks that began Saturday have had broader aims than any before. Israeli military officials said Monday that their target lists have expanded to include the vast support network that the Islamist movement relies on to stay in power in the strip. The choice of targets suggests that Israel intends to weaken all the various facets of Hamas rather than just its armed wing.

"There are many aspects of Hamas, and we are trying to hit the whole spectrum, because everything is connected and everything supports terrorism against Israel," said a senior Israeli military official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

"Hamas's civilian infrastructure is a very, very sensitive target. If you want to put pressure on them, this is how," said Matti Steinberg, a former top adviser to Israel's domestic security service and an expert on Islamist organizations.

Israel has said its goal in attacking Hamas is to make life secure for the hundreds of thousands of Israelis who live within range of rockets fired from Gaza. But officials have said they do not want to reoccupy the strip just three years after they withdrew troops and settlements from it.

Hamas on Monday fired dozens of rockets into southern Israel. The three Israelis killed included one person in the Negev community of Nahal Oz, a woman at the bus stop in Ashdod and a construction worker in Ashkelon. Nineteen people have been killed in attacks from Gaza so far this year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28428266/

madisonman's photo
Tue 12/30/08 08:43 AM
isnt Isreal starveing those people out with some type of blockade? I have read that. I have been avoiding the topic to avoide being called an anti semite. I do think the original rocket attack on isreal that started this round of retribution was a responce to that blockade.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 12/30/08 08:56 AM

isnt Isreal starveing those people out with some type of blockade? I have read that. I have been avoiding the topic to avoide being called an anti semite. I do think the original rocket attack on isreal that started this round of retribution was a responce to that blockade.


I'll take the chance!
Israel is an illegal state. They stole the land with the help of the western powers and their Christian majority.

They should at least be forced to withdraw to the borders of the original UN mandate!
If they refuse we should cut off all military and economic aid.

adventurous001's photo
Tue 12/30/08 08:56 AM
Well, lets think on it a moment. Israel close to being a "normal" place to live except for getting terrorist (and in the middle east they have real terrorist attacks, not like our theoretical, and 9/11 was our first taste- israelis get it every day).

Or... being in a semi-state... palestine, where the ruling bodies were basically terrorist organizations... no jobs, doubtful chance to move up the paygrade and have a normal life. A hard enough life from the start.

It isnt an easy solution, but I would think that if my neighbor was doing things that would cause the US Army to come land on my lawn and blow up my neighborhood with a helicopter... I wouldnt wait for the Army to come... I would put a bullet in his head myself.

And this isnt happening.

The palestinians what are they doing to get rid of their own terrorists? It isnt like the palestinians will get murder charges for killing their own terrorists.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 12/30/08 09:00 AM

Well, lets think on it a moment. Israel close to being a "normal" place to live except for getting terrorist (and in the middle east they have real terrorist attacks, not like our theoretical, and 9/11 was our first taste- israelis get it every day).

Or... being in a semi-state... palestine, where the ruling bodies were basically terrorist organizations... no jobs, doubtful chance to move up the paygrade and have a normal life. A hard enough life from the start.

It isnt an easy solution, but I would think that if my neighbor was doing things that would cause the US Army to come land on my lawn and blow up my neighborhood with a helicopter... I wouldnt wait for the Army to come... I would put a bullet in his head myself.

And this isnt happening.

The palestinians what are they doing to get rid of their own terrorists? It isnt like the palestinians will get murder charges for killing their own terrorists.




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Lynann's photo
Tue 12/30/08 09:05 AM
Please see my post from last night regarding this issue and the obscene amount of support the United States government spends in Israel.

More per citizen than it does on per citizen on Americans.

Oh did I say the U.S. government...what I meant is you and I.

Personally I think it's a poor investment.

I'd rather see, for instance, every child in the U.S. get health insurance. Something by the way that would ultimately end up saving money.

nogames39's photo
Wed 12/31/08 04:38 PM


isnt Isreal starveing those people out with some type of blockade? I have read that. I have been avoiding the topic to avoide being called an anti semite. I do think the original rocket attack on isreal that started this round of retribution was a responce to that blockade.


I'll take the chance!
Israel is an illegal state. They stole the land with the help of the western powers and their Christian majority.

They should at least be forced to withdraw to the borders of the original UN mandate!
If they refuse we should cut off all military and economic aid.


Yes, more properly down to zero acres.
This is no different than taxes. Everybody voting to take away somebody else's property.

Those states that say Israel must exist, should give up some of their own land to form Israel.

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 12/31/08 04:40 PM
I hope they finsih the job until no terrorist is left standing.

nogames39's photo
Wed 12/31/08 04:42 PM
If history is any guide, this Hamas attack was probably organized to create an excuse for Israeli massive response, which in turn could be used as an excuse to do some horrendous act in Israel, so that the Israel could be unleashed to solve bigger goals, such as kneeling Iran to accept USD for oil.

madisonman's photo
Wed 12/31/08 04:50 PM

I hope they finsih the job until no terrorist is left standing.
That doesnt sound verry christian of you. tsk tsk

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 12/31/08 04:59 PM


I hope they finsih the job until no terrorist is left standing.
That doesnt sound verry christian of you. tsk tsk


It's about survival... you know...that thing that someone does for YOU so you can have the freedom to be as wrong as you want to.

madisonman's photo
Wed 12/31/08 05:00 PM



I hope they finsih the job until no terrorist is left standing.
That doesnt sound verry christian of you. tsk tsk


It's about survival... you know...that thing that someone does for YOU so you can have the freedom to be as wrong as you want to.
oh and why are we over there? what do you think the average Iraqis feelings are on this? Are we not invaders?

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 12/31/08 05:06 PM
Uh no...Iraqis want us there...

Get your facts straight.

madisonman's photo
Wed 12/31/08 05:07 PM

Uh no...Iraqis want us there...

Get your facts straight.
all polls of Iraqis show the opposite of what you say. Why is that?

madisonman's photo
Wed 12/31/08 05:28 PM


Uh no...Iraqis want us there...

Get your facts straight.
all polls of Iraqis show the opposite of what you say. Why is that?
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink it

Conducted by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA), University of Maryland, this poll finds that Iraqis believe, by an overwhelming margin of 78 to 21 percent, that the US military presence is “provoking more conflict that it is preventing.” Seven in ten Iraqis want the US-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year, but a very large majority believes that the US will remain in the country, even if the Iraqi government asked it to withdraw, as the Washington plans to maintain permanent bases . Further, support for attacks against US forces has increased substantially and as of September 2006 reached 61 percent. But PIPA points out that “if the US were to make a commitment to withdraw according to a timetable, support for attacks would diminish.” [Click here to see PIPA's January 2006 Poll] (WorldPublicOpinion.org)

Lynann's photo
Wed 12/31/08 05:31 PM
I suppose there are some who see every non-Christian as a terrorist.

Sorta proves my point about the evil done in the name of God.

I am not one to speak for God but if your myths are true surely you will be judged accordingly.

As for facts...try getting them from somewhere other than FOX news.

madisonman's photo
Wed 12/31/08 05:36 PM

I suppose there are some who see every non-Christian as a terrorist.

Sorta proves my point about the evil done in the name of God.

I am not one to speak for God but if your myths are true surely you will be judged accordingly.

As for facts...try getting them from somewhere other than FOX news.
They did a case study and found that the more a person watches FoX news the less informed they actualy are have you seen it?

Lynann's photo
Wed 12/31/08 07:47 PM
You know many years ago (15 maybe) I saw an amusing statistic that showed in media markets where country music radio stations numbers went up ten percent the suicide rate went up one percent.

Now, I realize that statistics are often skewered and are close to lies most times. Still...were that it true...I'd personally sponsor country music to play in the background and during breaks on FOX

madisonman's photo
Wed 12/31/08 07:59 PM

You know many years ago (15 maybe) I saw an amusing statistic that showed in media markets where country music radio stations numbers went up ten percent the suicide rate went up one percent.

Now, I realize that statistics are often skewered and are close to lies most times. Still...were that it true...I'd personally sponsor country music to play in the background and during breaks on FOX
take a gander at this you will like it

The Center for Policy Attitudes, along with Knowledge Networks Poll, recently completed a study that illustrates that the more Americans watch FOX “News” channel, the more tenuous their relationship is to the truth. In fact, the results show FOX “News” channel is in a virtual free fall away from facts.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=91

Thomas3474's photo
Thu 01/01/09 10:12 PM


Uh no...Iraqis want us there...

Get your facts straight.
all polls of Iraqis show the opposite of what you say. Why is that?



No Madisonman if you would watched the news a few weeks ago they government of Iraq all voted unanimity to keep US military forces in Iraq until at least 2010.Doesn't sound like they are in a hurry for us to leave.

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