How secure does windows users think that they really are?
Linux users bring up facts that prove that it isn't.
Why do you think that microsoft had to hire hackers to help secure thier
new Win Vista operating system?



one example link
http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/?p=311

It seems to be getting to the point that all of the windows restrictions
are just helping the non secure issues because it makes it harder for
third party apps to help the secure process. Problems that the OS should
already have addressed on it's own.

the most popular os will always be the most hacked..if linux ever
becomes as popular(based on sales) as windows it will have some serious
problems as well...with software, you never know the exploits untill
they are exploited

True, but most popular or not, linux will always be more secure than
windows.( it's in the code).
There are 10s of thousands of more viruses for windows than they are
linux.

i know...thats my point...why crack the code of a rarely used os when
doing it to windows gives you more victems(hacker thinking).all code is
crackable,hackable,exploitable..just a matter of if its worth it or not
to take the time it takes to do it.i just kicked IE to the curb for
mozilla...thinkin windows will be next..just readin a bit more about
game compatability...i have an ungodly amount of time on certain games
and wanna make sure i will still be able to run them all

I'm sorry, my point is that linux is not that easyly cracked like
windows. Fact. No matter what people use.
As far as game compatiblity, I havn't found a game yet that cannot be
played on linux useing 'wine'.(even my cracked D2 with hero editor). I
own the game, I just cracked it so that when I wanted to play, I
wouldn't have to load a disk.

Can you play guild wars on Linux? It has currently 3 different
campaigns. I have yet to hear of anyone being able to get it to work on
a linux environment as it is an MMORPG with regular updates typically
every other day or so as well as holidays for special events.

netuserlla - if you are talking strictly about the Linux kernel you may
indeed be correct. However, as far as the security of the whole system,
it really depends on how that system is put together. I believe there
are some insecure programs (you know, programs which wonder if they are
unattractive) commonly used on Linux which are not being attacked for
exactly the reason given by *****willow.

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I have a silly question for you when you hear about a website or bank
being hacked what OS do you think they are running for a web server?

Linux currently holds 70% of the market for web servers and 11% is
Windows.

Most larger companies are using Cisco PIX firewalls as well.

>> I have a silly question for you when you hear about a website or bank
being hacked what OS do you think they are running for a web server?

In the server space I readily believe, -generally speaking- that "Linux
is more secure". This is partly because in that environment, the people
employed to manage those machines *make sure* their machines are secure.
They have the knowledge and control to do that.

But as Linux moves onto the desktop, it may be a disservice to tell
people "Linux is more secure" because many home users do not take
responsibility for the security of their system. This phrase "Linux is
more secure" carries the idea of inherent, automatic superiority in
Linux security - which breeds false confidence. But if you say
something like "Used properly, Ubuntu's base installation is more secure
than XP", then it might be a true statement and doesn't breed false
confidence.

The point is really that nothing is 100% secure. Anyone can be hacked no
matter what OS they use. The question is will they be caught prior to
gaining access or not.

I agree because Linux is not really mainstream at this point it is more
secure due to the fact that most people do not have a strong
understanding of C programming language which is what Linux is written
in.

>> The point is really that nothing is 100% secure.

Agreed!

Correct.
There is no box 100% secure. Any computer can be hacked into.
Nowadays alot of banks use windows with only a 128bit encription.
More and more people are useing linux everyday. And yes I am accruate
when I say linux is more secure.
By the way, Linux is superior, so there is nothing false about that
statment.
I have heard of guild wars but never have played it. I think that I have
actually seen a version just for linux. If not, I'm pretty sure that it
can be easily configured with 'wine'.
Once configured, you can start the game just like a regular windows
executeable.

>> I am accruate when I say linux is more secure.

Net, you want people to know that security in the Linux world is,
generally, superior to security in the Windows world, right? I do, too.
But I think we have to be honest with them. Let them know that its
dependent on the distribution you use, and other factors. That way,
when some lame-ass distribution (or 3rd party software) has security
problems that makes the news, people will know better than to blame it
on 'Linux in general'.

There are over a hundred distributions, and some of those distributions
are just thrown together for some specific purpose in which security is
not a concern. Did you know that Lindows used to default to RUNNING
EVERYTHING AS ROOT??!!! Do you call that secure? I don't. And that
was a "Linux" system. For this reason alone many Linux geeks would
refuse to install Lindows on their friends computers.

But I think we can say that "the latest releases of Ubuntu, OpenSuse,
Fedora, PCLinuxOS, Mepis, Debian, Mandriva, Damn Small Linux, Knoppix,
Slackware, and Gentoo in their default configuration are all 'more
secure' than Windows XP."

True that.
There are alot of quick relaesed linux type progs written in open source
by peeps that aren't even concerned about security.(Some are just happy
that they actually wrote thier own OS) I see what you mean. If a newbie
installed one of them instead of one of the good ones that you mentioned
then they would be messed up. Thanks for the added info.