Yes and yours came from an atheist.

Oh and your latest link (the one above) is from a pro-Hitler website.

It's great to start the new year off with a laugh, thank you.

And Spider, this was taken from your own website. This guy is not doing a very good job of refuting anything.

In this section Mr. Walker presents more than thirty photos to show that Hitler was a Christian and was supported by Christians. Many of the photos only illustrate the well-known historical fact that the German churches, both Protestant and Catholic supported Hitler."

More great evidence from your site: The holocaust was a hoax!

http://hitlerresearch.org/index18_files/Page313.html

You wouldn't know a logical argument if it bit you.

We have admitted (repeatedly) that Hitler was supported by many German Christians. That doesn't prove he was a Christian. His private conversations prove quite the opposite.

And you Mr. Knowitall where there to overhear every word he said, we know that by now.

Are you calling me a Nazi or you are you just stupid?

No, NOW you are saying that because the evidence is overwhelmingly indicating this both photographic and documented. I was nearly blue in the face telling you this fact OVER AND OVER and you continually denied it.

Your Table Talks have been refuted. For one thing, you fail to acknowledge that

1) The reliability of the source (hearsay and editing by the anti-Catholic, Bormann)

2) The Table-Talk reflects thoughts that do not occur in Hitler's other private or public conversations.

3) Nowhere does Hitler denounce Jesus or his Christianity.

4) The Table-Talk does not concur with Hitler's actions for "positive" Christianity.

Even a Christian website would need refute these challenges.

I would call you a lair (and you just might be on this subject), but you probably just haven't read anything I've posted. Either way, you are a waste of my time. If you ever feel like knowing the truth (it would be a first for you, I know) you can look at the thread you linked and see me say that many times. I have already said it at least once in this thread.

Thats just rude! Just because you can not offer concise rebuttals to each one of these points (for a start) is no reason for you to call people names. You can just never debate like a mature human and you always throw tantrums. I repeatedly told you I was fine with you addressing the refutations one at a time and you have yet to do even that. Shoo! Im done with you.

I'm confused

is this thread about Einstein or the validity of the Christian faith?

or is it just that EVERY thread is gonna turn into a debate over Christianity?

It started off being about Einstein's state of mind and whether or not he suffered any type of mental illness. Then somehow it morphed into his beliefs and religiosity. Then finally Spider brought up Hitler and that entire argument was re-hashed. So talk to him about it. Or better yet, scroll back.

Einstein was considered a Genius with a unimaginable high IQ level of 180. If he was crazy then he did a good job in containing it I must say. Did he have imagination? Yes he had a higher imagination then most people could ever dream off.

You can put him as a terrible person as the Nazi's once did, but if it wasn't for him one can actually believe that the world would be a lot more different today then we think it can be. His letter to the President at the time helped America hurry their projects in finding a way to create a nuclear bomb. Einsteins formula help escalute the Manhattan Project and helped United States win a war to help ensure our freedoms today.

Even though Einstein didn't directly participated in the Manhatten Project for he was in heart a Pacifist (yes hard to believe I know) he did give a formula that helped further illustrate what the states needed to stop Japan's superior navy and airforce might at the time.

May we never forget that his decision to flee Germany at the time was one of his most important decisions in his life or he would have ended up in concentrations camps left for dead or perhaps forced to help create the atomic bomb for the Germans, which could have annilated the United States.

So those who scold him think twice about the history of this war and the importance of Einstein's contribution in fighting for what is right even if it is against a country he was born in.

Spider said?



You are resolving to name calling and insulting again?

I have not called you a Nazi in my post, and you well know it.

If you are not prepared to hear any other evidence than your own biased one, why don't you just go and debate with yourself?

You can call your alter ego stupid if you so wish.

this thread

Einstein had his problems in his personal life
but he was a great thinker, philosopher, physicist,
AND human being.

Like many powerful, charming, leaders he was
pursued by many would-be suitors. He had a bad 1st
marriage. His second marriage was for all intents
and purposes a marriage simply to be with someone
whom he appears to have deeply cared for and to
take care of her the way she nursed him through his
illness.

His letters published a few years ago give a rare
insight into the personal life of this exceptional
individual. Read them yourself.

But, here is an excerpt from an article entitled:
"Einstein's theory of infidelity" which recapped
some of the letters. They do not appear to make him
out to be anything less than simply human.

<<<...including one in which he writes: "It is true that M followed me [to England] and her chasing after me is getting out of control. But firstly I could hardly avoid it, and secondly, when I see her again, I will tell her that she should vanish immediately. Out of all the dames, I am in fact attached only to Mrs L, who is absolutely harmless and decent."

Hanoch Gutfreund, chairman of the Albert Einstein Worldwide Exhibition, said while Einstein's marriage to Elsa was best described as a "marriage of convenience," he nevertheless wrote to her almost every day with descriptions of lecturing in Europe and his efforts to give up smoking, as well as detail of his mistresses. In 1921, he wrote a postcard to her about the nature of scientific discovery, saying: "Soon I'll be fed up with the [theory of] relativity Elsa. Even such a thing fades away when one is too involved with it.">>>

There is little to indicate that he and his cousin Elsa
did not care deeply for each other and treat each other
with respect although it certainly was not a traditional
marriage. They appear to be perfectly at ease and open
with each other.

It is not unusual or a rare occurrence for those that are of higher intelligence or score well on IQ tests to have emotional problems or sometimes actual mental disturbance in some respect. Some of his behaviors would have led me to suspect that he might have been manic or bi-polar. I have no way of knowing that of course and neither did they back then because the level of sophistication and ability to properly diagnose mental illness was not anywhere near what we have today. I am only saying that it is possible and that some of his behaviors and appearance would have prompted an evaluation if he had lived today.

Spider I just noticed that your so called "rebuttal" is not linked to any home page and only the "articles" themselves are active. This means that I can not determine who wrote any of it or if it is a collection of works by different authors. It is therefore impossible for me to investigate their background or credentials or academic qualifications. My source was clearly listed and all of this information accessible.

If you want any of this taken seriously, the name of the writer must be presented. Otherwise I have no way of knowing who he or she is and no critical analysis or critique can be made on my part. I have no way of verifying their resources either. That is only fair.

Too readily does our, modern more "sophisticated" means of diagnosis deem people mentally ill simply because they don't fit within common standard(s). Such standards seem to operate on dumb-down principles in which we're constantly being encouraged to limit our thoughts and ideas of possibility in order to fit in with some sort of worker-bee mentality.

People are labeled ADHD and given drugs to slow thinking down to dumb-down speed.

Thanks Pharmaceutical Companies!

What ever would we do without you?

Opinions advanced by many of his teachers predicted that the young Einstein 'would not amount to anything'.

Can you imagine the hilarity that would ensue were a time-shifted version of Einstein brought before pop psychologists of our time?

Dr Phil: Theory of Relativity, huh? How's that werkin' fer ya?

Or calling into the Dr. Laura show? Would we then be treated to "Ten Stupid Things Physicists Do To Mess Up Their Lives"?

Movers and shakers who challenge the status quo, who think outside the box and joust against convention and Authoritarism are always going to be thought somewhat insane.

But who remembers their accusers?


-Kerry O.

Exactly. Intelligent people are also hyper sensitive to their surroundings in many respects.

I've had as much good come from medications as bad, and in particular, one anti-psychotic actually induced a manic episode, causing me to be hospitalized in 2007. Without medications, my own illness takes me from depression to hypomania, but the benefits of the illness greatly outweigh the liabilities of it. The main photo is my latest invention, now in production, and with the side-effect that now I hire people with a better delusion of sanity to build it. The invention required skills in: Mathematics, image processing, programming, machining, drafting, biomechanics and podiatry. Speaking from the perspective of a high school drop out, one could assume genius or insanity. For the latter, the state of Ohio would agree with you, but on the other hand, the results of my efforts have caused me to be very spoiled and I'm perfectly content being labeled crazy, nut job, wacko or whatever the phrase of the day is. I get to pretty much do whatever I want to do and really don't have to explain myself or justify myself.

While I don't recommend others doing this, most of my life has excluded the use of medications, except for a brief period in the early 80's and from early 2005 through early 2008, (lithium, trileptal and as a prn, Seroquel). When I was hospitalized in early 2007, for the first time in a quarter of a century, it was actually seroquel, a tranquilizer known to be useful for most patients who suffered from bipolar mania or sleeping problems that triggered a horrible dysphoric episode, when I ran out of lithium. (Lithium and trileptal are mood stablizers). I have to agree with you in terms of feeling dumbed down by medications , although there have been times in my life where medication was necessary. I also avoid any substance that messes with the dopamine receptors of the brain, (alcohol etc) simply because they induce mania and it is impossible to predict whether the experience will be dysphoric or euphoric, and either way, mania is not something anyone can really enjoy.

There's a common cliche that fits, that there is a fine line between genius and insanity. It assumes the line is real that the line really matters. Much of media encourages people to treat mental illness as a clinical condition, not too different than an ailment below the neck, and in one particular show, more honestly describes mental illness as a gift and a curse. The secret to this is finding where our weaknesses are actually our strengths, which, in my case, is inventing things and challenging my mind to go where it hasn't gone before.