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Fri 12/05/08 06:18 PM
Protestant different then a Baptist and a Catholic different then a Jehovah Witness. What about the Evangelism and the Lutherns. Are they all just Christians or a different belief is truly there for each one.

Why so many denominations and what makes them different? Why the split up?


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Fri 12/05/08 06:21 PM
I have faith and I am a catholic but I don't discuss politics and religion:smile:

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Fri 12/05/08 06:23 PM

I have faith and I am a catholic but I don't discuss politics and religion:smile:


exactly *high 5*

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Fri 12/05/08 06:23 PM
Satan, his oldest trick is to cause dissension between the people and spirits and angels. That is the real reason, simple old divide and conquer.

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Fri 12/05/08 06:24 PM
Each of the different religons has beliefs that are individual to themselves. All are similar in a general overview. ie, the Lutherans split from the Catholics over payments to the church for future sins(I cannot remember the proper word...lol), the Annabaptists split over sprinkling versus immersion baptism, The Church of England split over divorce, etc. All, however, share the same major belief structures. These splits all happened several hundred years ago, and each has evolved with their type of worship ceremonies until today, we have a great variety of ideas of what each considers the "proper" type of worship.ohwell

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Sat 12/06/08 01:10 AM
Edited by Thomas3474 on Sat 12/06/08 01:25 AM
I haven't done any research on this issue but since I travel alot I usually go to what ever church is in the neighborhood I am in.This is what I have observed.

Lutheran-Much like Christians but they usually do a longer service and Holy Communion like the Catholics do.

Baptist-Rock and roll,get out of your seat and praise Jesus,tell it like it is,often 3 hours long,popular in the south and with the black community.

Catholics-The Virgin Mary is held almost as high as Jesus.Catholics often pray to the Virgin Mary.When praying they pray on their knees.Confession booths are in church.The Holy communion is always performed.

Prespertarian-Typical Christian church.Songs are usually sung in hymns with organ music.Service is almost always 1 hour in length.

Non demontional-Usually independent churches(such as a single church).Typically found in poorer neighborhoods and often struggling.Pastor likely never went to college.

Johava's witnesses-Probably the most strict and most controversial Christian church.Bible views often taken to the extreme.Johava's witnesses are in a class all their own.

Mormons-Probably one of the newest Christian religons.Founded by Joseph Smith he claimed to have visions from God(Mormons call him a later day Saint).He edited a great deal of the bible and included his own "book of Mormon".Utah is full of Mormons.Mormons are often under fire for polygamy and are considered ultra right wing conservative.




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Sat 12/06/08 01:14 AM
I wonder in what Lutheran church you have been?

I have grown up a Lutheran, and they are not a bit like Catholics.

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Sat 12/06/08 01:47 AM

Protestant different then a Baptist and a Catholic different then a Jehovah Witness. What about the Evangelism and the Lutherns. Are they all just Christians or a different belief is truly there for each one.

Why so many denominations and what makes them different? Why the split up?




Smiless...

Different denominations just have some minor differences..that's all......

we all still believe in the Same Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

We all still believe in the death , burial and ressurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ...

and we all believe that man can only be saved thru believing and accepting Jesus into his heart.


As a matter of fact,
all denominations are now putting aside the small differences..

and are finally coming together in One Acord...

and looking unto Jesus ....
as One Body of Christ...
as it should be.

Baptists are meeting with Catholics, Lutherans, and Methodist in our area..

and have been doing so for the longest now.

And This meeting together is happening everywhere.

Also..nondenominational churches are everywhere also....where ALL denominations come together in one nondenominational fellowship of beleivers...

all just One Body.....

praising and worshiping our Lord Jesus Christ.


:heart::heart::heart:



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Sat 12/06/08 08:28 PM


Protestant different then a Baptist and a Catholic different then a Jehovah Witness. What about the Evangelism and the Lutherns. Are they all just Christians or a different belief is truly there for each one.

Why so many denominations and what makes them different? Why the split up?




Smiless...

Different denominations just have some minor differences..that's all......

we all still believe in the Same Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

We all still believe in the death , burial and ressurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ...

and we all believe that man can only be saved thru believing and accepting Jesus into his heart.


As a matter of fact,
all denominations are now putting aside the small differences..

and are finally coming together in One Acord...

and looking unto Jesus ....
as One Body of Christ...
as it should be.

Baptists are meeting with Catholics, Lutherans, and Methodist in our area..

and have been doing so for the longest now.

And This meeting together is happening everywhere.

Also..nondenominational churches are everywhere also....where ALL denominations come together in one nondenominational fellowship of beleivers...

all just One Body.....

praising and worshiping our Lord Jesus Christ.


:heart::heart::heart:





I understand now. No significant changes at all. The main thing is to accept Jesus is our savior. Makes alot of sense. Thank you for your wisdom:smile:

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Sat 12/06/08 09:01 PM

Protestant different then a Baptist and a Catholic different then a Jehovah Witness. What about the Evangelism and the Lutherns. Are they all just Christians or a different belief is truly there for each one.

Why so many denominations and what makes them different? Why the split up?


The denominations arise from a divisevness in Gods word by man

Gods word is the same yesterday, today, and forever. There should be no differences but there are. Thus our denominations.
I consider myself non denominational myself. I believe in God and study his word.

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Sat 12/06/08 09:53 PM

Smiless...

Different denominations just have some minor differences..that's all......

we all still believe in the Same Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


That's just like the Wiccans.

They all have different minor beliefs but they all believe in the Moon Goddess.

The only difference is that they don't go around insulting eveyone who isn't a Wiccan by calling them Non-Wiccans and telling them that they are rejecting God.

Christains create their Holy War by demanding that everyone who isn't a Christian is a "Non-Christian" and is rejecting God.

I assure you MorningSong that there is no such religion as "Non-Christianity".

There is no such thing as a "Non-Christian".

That's a farce that the Christians make up to perpetuate their never-ending hostilities and bigotry toward anyone who doesn't believe like them.

Christianity is a religion that divides people by proclaiming that eveyone who isn't a "Christian" is a "non-Christain" or a "non-believer".

Christians make their own enemies and Holy Wars by automatically labeling eveyone who disagrees with them as being a "non-Christian" or a "non-believer".

And they never stop.

It's truly disgusting to put it midly. ohwell

All of the hostilities on these forums stem from arguments concerning the arrogance of Christianity.

That's the root of all the hostility.

I moved away to a forum where there are no Christians and there is no hostility there at all.

None.

Zip.

Zilch.


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Sat 12/06/08 10:05 PM

I have faith and I am a catholic but I don't discuss politics and religion:smile:


i think you are on to something there drinker

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Sun 12/07/08 12:06 AM


I have faith and I am a catholic but I don't discuss politics and religion:smile:


i think you are on to something there drinker
true, those two subjects can tend to get heated to say the least laugh drinker

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Sun 12/07/08 01:34 AM


Smiless...

Different denominations just have some minor differences..that's all......

we all still believe in the Same Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


That's just like the Wiccans.

They all have different minor beliefs but they all believe in the Moon Goddess.

The only difference is that they don't go around insulting eveyone who isn't a Wiccan by calling them Non-Wiccans and telling them that they are rejecting God.

Christains create their Holy War by demanding that everyone who isn't a Christian is a "Non-Christian" and is rejecting God.

I assure you MorningSong that there is no such religion as "Non-Christianity".

There is no such thing as a "Non-Christian".

That's a farce that the Christians make up to perpetuate their never-ending hostilities and bigotry toward anyone who doesn't believe like them.

Christianity is a religion that divides people by proclaiming that eveyone who isn't a "Christian" is a "non-Christain" or a "non-believer".

Christians make their own enemies and Holy Wars by automatically labeling eveyone who disagrees with them as being a "non-Christian" or a "non-believer".

And they never stop.

It's truly disgusting to put it midly. ohwell

All of the hostilities on these forums stem from arguments concerning the arrogance of Christianity.

That's the root of all the hostility.

I moved away to a forum where there are no Christians and there is no hostility there at all.

None.

Zip.

Zilch.






Shalom Abra.

That is true Abra to a degree on here.

I looked at the chr-stian forum and I did not see hostitilities thier either.

So it is reasonable to say on these boards that birds of a feather flock together in Peace.

But when all different idea's and past experiencieces come together hostilities seem to arise.


Not that different than people who believe and it has been pushed aon us so hard that our forfathers did a great injustice to different groups that we can not leave the mode that we have did our best to correct our forfathers mistakes lets leave peacefully and go on equaly.

That has caused a rift and people do not want to let go they want to continue to be upset and demand justice.

This is the same in the ch-rches today. They all are founded on the principles of catholism yet reject them as babylon.

Their main difference is idol worship. They do not believe they do it.

So they are still crying out the same as minorities are abundant in our country they want justice.

That justice is you conform to ME.

To many Chiefs and not enough Indians.

I know this may seem like a different twist you might say on the Issue but it is.

The christian religion will bulk in unity against a assumed threat outside of thier own selves.

I would say the same is for non believers.

Then within themselves will be a degree of unity untill who is right. Then we have divisions. 1000 + in the U S alone.

I bet all wiccans or any other non chr-stian organization doe the same.

I bet Wiccans may be a broad since to the outside and the inside is broken into different fanctions who dispute amoung themselves.

This really is being a Human. We all want our way to be right in the long run.

Just as I do. So I would hope we could be at more Shalom and debate and learn and respect each other without personal attacks.

generally if pushed if faithfull to our own inner being comes a time to tell it like it is.

I see no problem thier and a responce is warranted. A reasonable and as factual one as one may give.

We learn the most in contraversy about who the other really is.

everyone knows in thier own households words are said in anger that are not really meant but can not be taken back.

I wish this example is used as knowlege that we are seeing really the truth how someone feels and deal with it instead of Divorce as so many on here have been through.

Religion is no different.

lets learn and not let any voice be un important.

May Yahweh Bless His People As we All Are Children.... Shalom....Miles

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Sun 12/07/08 06:07 AM

The christian religion will bulk in unity against a assumed threat outside of thier own selves.

I would say the same is for non believers.


Yes Miles.

But the big difference is that the Christians are the ones who do all threatening with their constant proselytzing and wanting to teach their cretionism in public schools, for their religious beliefs into law, and so forth.

Let's face it, the other religions just aren't trying to force their beliefs down the throat of the public.

Christianity is based on a self-proclaimed jealous God.

A religion that is based on a jealous God is going to be a jealous religion. ohwell

And it shows.

Of course, all the religions that are based on the Mediterranean folklore are going to be based on the same idea of a jealous God.

And they are.

The real irony is that the Protestants are much worse about proselytizing their jealous religion.

But in truth, they are the first, 'non-Christians'. They protested against the Church of Christianity - Catholicism.

So in truth, the Protestants are actually heathens in their own right with respect to the true Christianity of Catholicism.

They are Paper Popes as Kerry O. has pointed out in past threads.

They are the original 'non-Christians'.

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Sun 12/07/08 06:55 AM

Satan, his oldest trick is to cause dissension between the people and spirits and angels. That is the real reason, simple old divide and conquer.


And Satan is Judeo-Christianity Fundamentalism's oldest trick. The personification of religious, if-you're-not-one-of-us-you're-one-of-them narcissism and xenophobia extrapolated to the highest degree, such that if you're not assimilated, you are under the influence of evil. That no matter how virtuous your own actions, you're like the nefarious Agents in the movie the Matrix: "They are no one, they are everyone". That your free will is only a sham because you can be unwittingly manipulated to do all that is the antithesis of the Fundy religion, always to be held at an arms-length paranoia.

I think Ambrose Bierce was closer to the mark:



SATAN, n.
One of the Creator's lamentable mistakes, repented in sashcloth and axes. Being instated as an archangel, Satan made himself multifariously objectionable and was finally expelled from Heaven. Halfway in his descent he paused, bent his head in thought a moment and at last went back. "There is one favor that I should like to ask," said he.

"Name it."

"Man, I understand, is about to be created. He will need laws."

"What, wretch! You his appointed adversary, charged from the dawn of eternity with hatred of his soul -- you ask for the right to make his laws?"

"Pardon; what I have to ask is that he be permitted to make them himself."

It was so ordered.




-Kerry O.

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Sun 12/07/08 06:36 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Sun 12/07/08 06:40 PM


Protestant different then a Baptist and a Catholic different then a Jehovah Witness. What about the Evangelism and the Lutherns. Are they all just Christians or a different belief is truly there for each one.

Why so many denominations and what makes them different? Why the split up?




Smiless...
As a matter of fact,
all denominations are now putting aside the small differences..

and are finally coming together in One Acord...

and looking unto Jesus ....
as One Body of Christ...
as it should be.


You're living in a dream world MorningSong.

Christains are denouncing one another like flies.

Bishop Carlton Person was proclaimed a heretic simply because he didn't believe in hell.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/37-carlton-person-heretical

Now that I think of it, there have been several people on these very forums who claim to be Christians and yet have said that they don't believe in hell.

Clearly they are hertics too then.

The bottom line with Protestantism is that anyone can claim to be a Christian.

Who's going to stop them?

Whoever can amass the larger mob wins.

That's basically what Christianity has always been driven by.

The largest mob wins.

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Sun 12/07/08 08:39 PM
Satan said he would have a kingdom and he would be bowed down to. If thier is eternal life in the Lake of Fire. I guess he is right.

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Sun 12/07/08 08:44 PM

Satan said he would have a kingdom and he would be bowed down to. If thier is eternal life in the Lake of Fire. I guess he is right.


Well, according to the Bible only those who believe in Jesus will have eternal life.

So I guess Satan's out of luck. bigsmile

There's no way to get to eternal hell unless you first believe in Jesus to obtain eternal life.

There are so many technical details in the Bible! Be sure to read all the fine print before you sign up for anything. :wink:

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Sun 12/07/08 09:06 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Sun 12/07/08 09:07 PM
There was a point at which a clear line between the various Christian sects was apparent. Back when Martin Luther wrote his apologies it was clear what his dissents were and many followed.

With each separation there were further doctrinal dissents. Eventually, the separations began to include NEW doctrine.

Soon we saw the evangilist and NO doctrine, but the voice of the person who claimed to KNOW the truth. Of course there is a hidden doctrine, it exists for the purpose of tax exemption only.

Finally there came those who wanted in on the action and so they proposed unity doctrines, to gather in the stragglers and the confused.

So the answer to your question is that the differnces lie withing the doctrines, which I would venture to say that only 1% of any particular congregation actually know what that doctrine declares.

Those that do know thier own doctrine, could not tell what separates them from all the others.

If you have a couple weeks and a lot of patience, you can find most doctrines posted somewhere on the internet.

It's a tangled web at best and since it means nothing to those for whom it applies, they are not too discerning or revealing.

So good luck with that!


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