Topic: 10yr old says she hates mom 4 dating guy she had affair with
lilith401's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:34 AM


Do not believe that source.....and...

Live and Learn :smile:


it is a word according to websters, just mainly used in speech and not the written word according to them, but i am glad you told me, i dont want to sound like an idiot anymore than i already do, lol



I don't understand. Are you saying to not believe a dictionary?


No Winx, read my post. It will clear it up for you. Words that aren't words are explained as such in the dictionary.

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Wed 12/03/08 08:34 AM
see Lilith post above....

I am saying if it said it is an actual word....do not believe it....but then again, words are added to those books every year...... ie. "Soccer Mom"



Do not believe that source.....and...

Live and Learn :smile:


it is a word according to websters, just mainly used in speech and not the written word according to them, but i am glad you told me, i dont want to sound like an idiot anymore than i already do, lol



I don't understand. Are you saying to not believe a dictionary?

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Wed 12/03/08 08:35 AM


it is a word according to websters, just mainly used in speech and not the written word according to them, but i am glad you told me, i dont want to sound like an idiot anymore than i already do, lol


Um, it is classified as "nonstandard".

Dictionary.com:
"Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so."

I really was trying to help. I hear it often. It's slang, not an actual English word.

On a serious note... I hope your daughter feels better. Just keep telling you that you love her and will always be there for her.

I know you you were and it means alot that there are people out here that really do care about other people and children, and i really do thank you for correcting me.

SamaraNJ's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:35 AM


Do not believe that source.....and...

Live and Learn :smile:


it is a word according to websters, just mainly used in speech and not the written word according to them, but i am glad you told me, i dont want to sound like an idiot anymore than i already do, lol



I don't understand. Are you saying to not believe a dictionary?


Actually I think the whole definition is....

probably blend of irrespective and regardles
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead

from websters....
I believe he just didn't read the whole paragraph, maybe...

lilith401's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:36 AM
No problem... you seem like a caring guy and your tolerance of my intolerance was very kind. laugh flowerforyou

Winx's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:36 AM

see Lilith post above....

I am saying if it said it is an actual word....do not believe it....but then again, words are added to those books every year...... ie. "Soccer Mom"



Do not believe that source.....and...

Live and Learn :smile:


it is a word according to websters, just mainly used in speech and not the written word according to them, but i am glad you told me, i dont want to sound like an idiot anymore than i already do, lol



I don't understand. Are you saying to not believe a dictionary?



Soccer mom is in the dictionary now?!laughsurprised

SamaraNJ's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:36 AM
you guys are too fast for me...
Im new to this happy

lilith401's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:38 AM
Edited by lilith401 on Wed 12/03/08 08:38 AM
Ohh Winx, you should see what's in there! laugh

Samara, no problem, you'll catch on....

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Wed 12/03/08 08:38 AM
Yes, It is....laugh laugh laugh

Last year, the lexicographers at dictionary maker Merriam-Webster proclaimed "woot" its Word of the Year. For 2008, they've added fanboy, webinar, netroots, and pretexting to the lexicon.

lilith401's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:40 AM
OP, I must apologize for the drift here. I feel badly.....

Winx's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:40 AM
Woot?!

They stole that from Mirror.rofl

Winx's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:40 AM
I'm sorry about the topic change too.flowerforyou

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Wed 12/03/08 08:41 AM
Edited by ddn122 on Wed 12/03/08 08:42 AM
Not to completely high jack the thread....


Dad, You appear to have the children's best interest in mind...Continue to be they example the need.


"Be the person your dog thinks you are."




oops....ohwell I think that phrase has a dangling something or another....



dadof4angels's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:42 AM
:smile:

dadof4angels's photo
Wed 12/03/08 08:45 AM
thank you, and as for the subject change, im ok with it, as long as everyone else can follow along, lol

Demopoly's photo
Thu 12/04/08 04:02 AM
Most of the advice here is well-intentioned, but if I were you I would not take advice from forums. Nobody here is likely to be qualified to give you such important advice. That said, many "therapists" and "councilors" are not well qualified. In WA state all you need is a college class and a reference, and you too can be a "councilor." I've found that most were pushy Christians who just wanted a job where they get paid to judge people.

No, what you need is solid family advice, probably from an experienced divorce attorney who works on a sliding scale. My attorney was one of the very best, and I know, people don't think of lawyers as someone to turn to for relationship advice. They're awesome, or at least she is. My lawyer rocks my world. Fair, strong, intelligent, and works for charities and single parents. She wins a LOT, and is respected. She can't be the only one.

MSG me for her info if you want it, but it seems to me that what you need is to talk about divorce! The best place to do that is an attorney's office. My lawyer took us through three mediation sessions because of complications, and yet it still wasn't a very expensive divorce. I have the house and the kids, too. All adults are satisfied with the visitation and custody of the children, etc. Nobody came out of this divorce pissed off or feeling cheated.

I think we paid her in total only about 6,000.00, which is about 1/50th of the total divorce settlement. "A++++++ would divorce again." ;)

Seriously man, protect your children! See an attorney today. My ex delayed by six months while we talked, and it ended up costing her a few thousand in the payment schedule. The filing date is "important."

~D


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Thu 12/04/08 05:43 AM
Winx, 11 year olds are quite knowledgeable in the topics of sex. Not sfe sex, or appropriate sex, neccesarilly, but they know what it is, and they surely know the signs of someone having sex with another person.
I am 33 years old, and I first elarned what sex was when I was 5 or 6 years of age, in school from a buddy of mine. It wasnt graphic or anything at all like that, very cut and dry to behonest, as if we had been talking about animals (which humans are btw). And this all happened, way before the internet was ever even thought of, at least publicly. Nowadays, kids have so much access to anything they want, it isnt funny. Even those of us parents who try to monitor and censure what a child is being subjected to, can not prevent it completely.
insofar as how the daughter knew that it hurt her father emotionally, all she has to do is look at her father and pay attention; what daughter or son would NOT know their parent is hurting? And as to how she knew about the affair prior to the seperation, maybe she did, maybe she found out about it afterwards. Maybe her parents sat down and explained to her what happened, which is their legal and moral responsibility.
At age 11, I would hazard a guess that she is in the 5th grade (seeing the post starts out as saying she is 10). Maybe she simlpy guessed about her mother, asked and was told the truth.




Ok, so my 11 yr old daughter is mad at her mom because she is still seeing the guy that she had an affair with,(we have since seperated but are still friends), She gets so mad and hurt and cries and says that she hates her mom and that her mom is a liar for telling me that the daughter was ok with them being "friends".
My 11 yr old daughter is a daddys girl, and she saw how this destroyed me emotionally, but she has also seen me grow into a better person because of this affair.
Our other children dont seem to have such a strong opinion like the oldest one.

I need help on figuring out what to do, I just want everyone, including the mom to be happy


As a parent, I see something here. I intend no disrespect, btw.

Why has your daughter seen how "this destroyed you emotionally"? A child should not have seen that. They are not equipped to emotionally handle it.

Why does your daughter know that this is a man that your wife had an affair with? She's 11 yrs. old!!



Winx's photo
Thu 12/04/08 06:00 AM

Winx, 11 year olds are quite knowledgeable in the topics of sex. Not sfe sex, or appropriate sex, neccesarilly, but they know what it is, and they surely know the signs of someone having sex with another person.
I am 33 years old, and I first elarned what sex was when I was 5 or 6 years of age, in school from a buddy of mine. It wasnt graphic or anything at all like that, very cut and dry to behonest, as if we had been talking about animals (which humans are btw). And this all happened, way before the internet was ever even thought of, at least publicly. Nowadays, kids have so much access to anything they want, it isnt funny. Even those of us parents who try to monitor and censure what a child is being subjected to, can not prevent it completely.
insofar as how the daughter knew that it hurt her father emotionally, all she has to do is look at her father and pay attention; what daughter or son would NOT know their parent is hurting? And as to how she knew about the affair prior to the seperation, maybe she did, maybe she found out about it afterwards. Maybe her parents sat down and explained to her what happened, which is their legal and moral responsibility.
At age 11, I would hazard a guess that she is in the 5th grade (seeing the post starts out as saying she is 10). Maybe she simlpy guessed about her mother, asked and was told the truth.




Ok, so my 11 yr old daughter is mad at her mom because she is still seeing the guy that she had an affair with,(we have since seperated but are still friends), She gets so mad and hurt and cries and says that she hates her mom and that her mom is a liar for telling me that the daughter was ok with them being "friends".
My 11 yr old daughter is a daddys girl, and she saw how this destroyed me emotionally, but she has also seen me grow into a better person because of this affair.
Our other children dont seem to have such a strong opinion like the oldest one.

I need help on figuring out what to do, I just want everyone, including the mom to be happy


As a parent, I see something here. I intend no disrespect, btw.

Why has your daughter seen how "this destroyed you emotionally"? A child should not have seen that. They are not equipped to emotionally handle it.

Why does your daughter know that this is a man that your wife had an affair with? She's 11 yrs. old!!





What does an 11 yr. old knowing about sex have to do with my post?

Even if a child knows about sex does not mean that they should know the personal things about their parents. It messes with their heads.

Btw, all the 11 year kids that I know don't know about sex.
And I know a lot of 11 year olds.

Winx's photo
Thu 12/04/08 06:01 AM

Most of the advice here is well-intentioned, but if I were you I would not take advice from forums. Nobody here is likely to be qualified to give you such important advice. That said, many "therapists" and "councilors" are not well qualified. In WA state all you need is a college class and a reference, and you too can be a "councilor." I've found that most were pushy Christians who just wanted a job where they get paid to judge people.

No, what you need is solid family advice, probably from an experienced divorce attorney who works on a sliding scale. My attorney was one of the very best, and I know, people don't think of lawyers as someone to turn to for relationship advice. They're awesome, or at least she is. My lawyer rocks my world. Fair, strong, intelligent, and works for charities and single parents. She wins a LOT, and is respected. She can't be the only one.

MSG me for her info if you want it, but it seems to me that what you need is to talk about divorce! The best place to do that is an attorney's office. My lawyer took us through three mediation sessions because of complications, and yet it still wasn't a very expensive divorce. I have the house and the kids, too. All adults are satisfied with the visitation and custody of the children, etc. Nobody came out of this divorce pissed off or feeling cheated.

I think we paid her in total only about 6,000.00, which is about 1/50th of the total divorce settlement. "A++++++ would divorce again." ;)

Seriously man, protect your children! See an attorney today. My ex delayed by six months while we talked, and it ended up costing her a few thousand in the payment schedule. The filing date is "important."

~D




The counselors in my state need a Masters degree. My child has used one. That counselor exceeded my expectations.

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Thu 12/04/08 06:16 AM

Btw, all the 11 year kids that I know don't know about sex.
And I know a lot of 11 year olds.


Winx, I am sorry but if you honestly believe that an 11 year old does not know what sex is, you are seriously uninformed.

I grant you there might be one or two out there, that do not know, but it is a very low number if there are. Kids are becoming sexually active themselves at age 11 and 12 on a regular basis now, and no I am not going ot post articles about htat in here. They have already been posted and cried over in the past. But my point is very simple. The kids know what sex is. They know that their parents have sex. They overhear a hell of a lot that you dont think they do, and thus know quite a lot about their parents affairs (pun not intended); more so than you could ever even imagine.