Can you really see through all that green spaghetti stuff on your head, oh, you're pretty much all head.. Like you Sea, I really don't understand why people get so excited about other people's belief's anyway. If we would just do what some of the greatest human rights activist in history have told us to do. These days of fussing and fighting my friends would soon end. Why don't we try seeing it their way, and ask them to see it our way. Then maybe we can work this hate thing out, out of the human race!

Well clearly putting anything out will cause some sort of problem. Lights and wreaths seem pretty innocuous to me but then again, maybe someone would take offense.

Are wreaths traditionally offensive to any one faction or segment of the population?

I would think only if there was a rope on it and a head stuck through it! We can work out our differences in this world if we try just a little bit harder!

I mean a wreath might be Pagan in origin but I dont think most people think about that. Its just representative of the season as far as I understand. It was probably some kind of an offering or what not to nature.

A friend of mine makes them. In New England its traditional to put out the wreaths right after Thanksgiving and they leave them up until Spring. Its not about the holiday as much as the season.

Thomas4374,

I agree that nativity scenes should stay in front of churches where they belong. If they did, they would not find any atheist signs there --I will assure you of that.

But for the fact that they displayed a Jewish symbol and a nativity scene in a government building, which should never have been done to begin with, the atheists jumped in there to protest. Good for them!

The attack was not against religion, it was against religion in our public government building.




Christians who push their agenda onto government institutions and display their symbols in government buildings are asking for trouble. They are pushing their beliefs on the nation. They are asking to "get hurt" because they are stepping on other peoples beliefs.

The government does not belong to the Jews or the Christians. It belongs to the people.

Your rights? You have a right to practice your religion in your homes and churches. You do not have a right to preach it in government buildings.

You have a right to pursue your happiness in your private lives. So take it somewhere else. Take your 'simple display' and get it out of our government building.

Put it on your private property and on your church property. And stop whining and crying that your feelings have been hurt after you got into other people's faces with your display in a public government building.




Try being an atheist and see how much you are attacked at every turn. You as a Christian have been coddled way too long to even have an idea what people of other beliefs have been through where attacks are concerned.

Ding-ding, Ding-ding.

Official end of round one.

hey, if you're the bell man, shouldn't it be ding dong, ding dong?

There has not been that much arguing on this thread. It has remained civil thus far. I have very little invested in it. When I was living in California, I visited a live nativity scene and it was really pretty. They had real animals also. The baby was fake though because they coudnt have a little infant out in the cold at night.

But they did this IN FRONT OF A CHURCH so no one complained and the kids could feed the animals. It was like a petting zoo so no one cared. Thats where those things need to remain and no one will become enraged with their presence.

I would have to agree with Jeannie here. As far as religious persecution goes, Christians have had it the easiest of all religions in the western world for the last thousand years or so - because it is they who have been in the majority and it is they who have been doing the persecuting. So in fact, the truer statement would be that it is hard for you to understand because you are a Christian.

It has been quite civil.
And in that spirit I will let all of you know I am drumming this wk-end(complete with dancers) at
a "Taste of Bethleham" at a local church.
Doumbeks, Tars, and tambours.

With a live Nativity if I am not wrong again.

cool man, wish I could see it, have fun!

You know Thomas, I would sincerely like to feel sorry for you, but I am unable to. You have in no uncertain terms told us how you feel about liberals, gays and atheists, never once thinking about how it might feel to be told by you and other conservatives that they have no rights, credibility, morality or concern but for themselves...

You have accomplished nothing more than to prove you care very little about history or the facts. And have said as much.

As long as you refuse to acknowledge history or to even study it, you will remain the depressed angry conservative that is experiencing the uncomfortable sound of 'other voices' who have been stilled by Christianity for a very long time.

I just hope that most liberals and gays and atheists don't resort to the kind of ugly interactions that gays liberals and atheists have had to endure at the hands of too many conservative Christians. Though I can hardly blame them for being angry, I don't think it solves anything in the long run. You of all people should understand their frustration and anger, you know... it's the very same thing they are feeling at your hands.

You can not demand preference for hundreds of years and then wonder why things change and people demand a hearing as well.

So, You want empathy, Thomas. Show some for others...

Gays liberals and atheists have been around since the beginning of time, it might be time to get around in life, Thomas, and note that what you thought you believed just might not be true in most cases about gays liberals or atheists.

boo2u wrote:
Gays liberals and atheists have been around since the beginning of time, it might be time to get around in life, Thomas, and note that what you thought you believed just might not be true in most cases about gays liberals or atheists.
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where did time begin? I have been curious about this for many days!

LOL

I should have said since the beginning of civilization, then I wouldn't feel compelled to go off topic about where time began. But I think one gets the gist of my argument hopefully. Now don't ask me when civilization began.. grin!

Quote by Marty: If we would just do what some of the greatest human rights activist in history have told us to do. These days of fussing and fighting my friends would soon end. Why don't we try seeing it their way, and ask them to see it our way. Then maybe we can work this hate thing out, out of the human race!""


Now that would be far too simple. But I like it.. Only humans seem to have a knack for complicating life.

yep, in case you didn't recognise where that came from...A song by the Beatles.

Hi Marty, I noticed that...