The Observer Idea

On the idea of an "observer manifested (or created) reality," the confusion lies with people who completely identify with the observer,and in the thinking that the "observer" is always a "human observer."

I'm going to go all spiritual on you now say that "THE OBSERVER" is what most people refer to as "GOD"

Having said that, I will also say that I believe the observer (God) has "eyes." Those "eyes" are the "creatures" and the lifeforms and the many worlds they inhabit.

So the very idea that this is an "observer created reality" is the same idea that this reality is "created" (or manifested) by God, who is the ultimate infinite awareness and "observer."

Each individual unit of awareness is an "eye" and an "observer."

Each person is an eye of the observer. Each creature is an eye of the observer.

But more than just an "eye" these units of awareness are exact copies of the original observer....and are in the process of manifesting these realities.

You manifest your reality, and you also aid in the manifestation and perpetuation of the collective reality.

You decide what is real in your reality, and with agreement, you and others decide what is real in the larger collective reality.

Yes, it is another way of saying that we are all connected, we are all manifesting our reality, we are all one, we are all god, etc etc etc.

This reality can not exist apart from the observer and it cannot exist apart from "God" the Prime Source, and the ultimate infinite observing awareness who lives in all things and is both the observer and the observed.

Like ants in a colony, building bridges and perpetuating ant communities out of their connectedness to one another, we ARE Prime Source and Prime Source is comprised of US.

You've read "The Four Agreements", haven't you?

I have not read that. It sounds interesting. I will look into ordering it.

Written by Don Miguel Ruiz

He writes like the reader is in 3rd grade, but it's great stuff to live by.

Reality reached by consesus.Interesting.

I've said it before, but I still don't see any better practical definition for reality. What's real is what we agree on. If no one agrees on it, then how can it be real?

If everyone agrees with it, can it not be real? And even if it were not, how would one be able to tell? And most important of all, what possible difference could it make to anything at all?

Exactly. And I would like to add, that as an observer, I have a right to decide what is reality and what is real, and so does every other observer.

If "actuality" is not determined by the observer, what, who or how is it determined?

That is the question.

Well....there is that pesky little thing called physics. Just because you don't agree that you will fall if you jump off a building....it certainly doesn't follow that you won't. And I certainly don't buy into the idea that if we all thought murder was super terrific....that it would be ok.

There are universal constants...completely exclusive of what we "agree" on.

Like what?

I thought you might appreciate this Jeannie..

Theophanies means God appearance...(the short of it)


Ezekiel 10
1 Then I looked, and behold, in the firmament that was over the head of the cherubim there appeared above them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne.

2 And he spake unto the man clothed in linen, and said, Go in between the whirling wheels, even under the cherub, and fill both thy hands with coals of fire from between the cherubim, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.

3 Now the cherubim stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court.

4 And the glory of Jehovah mounted up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of Jehovah's glory.

5 And the sound of the wings of the cherubim was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of God Almighty when he speaketh.

6 And it came to pass, when he commanded the man clothed in linen, saying, Take fire from between the whirling wheels, from between the cherubim, that he went in, and stood beside a wheel.

7 And the cherub stretched forth his hand from between the cherubim unto the fire that was between the cherubim, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed in linen, who took it and went out.

8 And there appeared in the cherubim the form of a man's hand under their wings.

9 And I looked, and behold, four wheels beside the cherubim, one wheel beside one cherub, and another wheel beside another cherub; and the appearance of the wheels was like unto a beryl stone.

10 And as for their appearance, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel have been within a wheel.

11 When they went, they went in their four directions: they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.

12 And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had.

13 As for the wheels, they were called in my hearing, the whirling wheels.

14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of the cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third face the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

15 And the cherubim mounted up: this is the living creature that I saw by the river Chebar.

16 And when the cherubim went, the wheels went beside them; and when the cherubim lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the wheels also turned not from beside them.

17 When they stood, these stood; and when they mounted up, these mounted up with them: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.

18 And the glory of Jehovah went forth from over the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubim.

19 And the cherubim lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight when they went forth, and the wheels beside them: and they stood at the door of the east gate of Jehovah's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.

20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river Chebar; and I knew that they were cherubim.

21 Every one had four faces, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings.

22 And as for the likeness of their faces, they were the faces which I saw by the river Chebar, their appearances and themselves; they went every one straight forward.

If we jump from a building we will fall right? Do you agree with that? Is that a fact? Do you think gravity is a good idea? If it were not for gravity, we would all be floating around and so would everything else. In spite of its pitfalls, gravity is a good idea, and I think we all agreed on it.

Do you know anyone who does not agree with that? (I don't)

Therefore, gravity is a good example of an agreement.

It was also an agreement before individual souls agreed to enter this environment, (but that belief requires a belief in the incarnation process.)

Physics is not pesky at all. It's simply a set of agreements.


Well, the only reason it follows that you will is because you agree that you will.

Yes it’s true, that the hypothesis is not falsifiable and thus is not scientific. It is purely philosophical.

But from the reverse viewpoint, there is no way to prove that a person would fall if they didn’t agree, because there is no way to prove or disprove agreement.


Semantically speaking, that is a self contradicting statement. But I think I understand what you’re trying to say – that within the scenario you described, your viewpoint is right/moral and everyone else’s viewpoint is wrong/immoral.



I’ll have to chime in with Jeannie on that one: Name a universal constant that is not agreed upon by anyone.

Scratches Head...

How about

Nothing exists.

Yeah, I remember when you had a thread about this. I personally feel that although there may be an aspect of this to reality as we percive it,there is a more fundamental true reality that we may not be fully able to percieve.Like Plato's Cave.

You may have actually come up with the closest thing there is - confusion.

It may very well be that there is such a reality. But by it's very definition, it cannot be perceived and thus, is of no practical use to me. I can't use it, or the knowledge of it, in any practical way.

can't you wild and crazy guys realize that all you are doing is telling the story of Jesus

Jesus mission was to go and rescue the other Gods that was trapped on Earth because the other Gods made an agreement to forget that they were Gods which means they forgot that the only way to leave the Earth was to die ...Jesus's mission was to show them "the way"

but in order for Jesus to rescue the other Gods Jesus also to "agree" to adhere to all the conditions of being alive which mean he had to be spawn to Earth through a womb

part of the agreement was that as soon as Jesus arrived he would lose his memory and be under the jurisdiction of the laws of physics lose his godly powers and no longer be a God as long as he was on Earth

after a couple of decades of forgetfulness Jesus other Godhead decided to violate the agreement and send a lightning bolt down in order to pop Jesus apse back into the reality of what his mission on Earth was unforturely this happenned just when Jesus was going to have sex with Mary Magdalene ...but anyway after that Jesus just wanted to get the hell off the planet

but the agreement was that Jesus wasn't allowed to kill himself to leave this existence but have to be killed by other than himself and if he violated this agreement he would be stuck in limbo but if he followed the agreement he would be resurrected back into a God

this story will be continue upon request ..but anyway you guys get the idea that all you are doing is preaching Christianity