I am IRISH (Swedish & French) SOOOOOOOOOO WHAT is that statement supposed to mean?

Lindyy

hahahaha, went over your head did it?

google "modest proposal" and read the essay

NOPE...it is NOT MY responsibility to "read minds"....your statement should be explained to avoid insulting others...you very easily could have done that with your last post.....

Lindyy

and it's not my responsibilty to explain literary references that should be familiar to anyone who has ever had high school English

it's a satire written by Jonathon Swift in the 1700's...I think it was about selling poor Irish children to the rich...I believe Quiet was injecting humor into the discussion...as a way of making a point...remember the old saying...just because my head comes to a point...doesn't mean I'm sharp...

How gallant of you Giocamo, how are you today?

Tough subject matter to be sure and one ripe with visceral reactions, some based on genuine concern for both the mother and "child" while some seem to be based on the love of finger waving judgement.

For those who consider abortion the first degree murder of a child, I have a question. I have a close family member who years ago had an abortion. I love this family member dearly and there is nothing I would not do for her. Since that time she has married and now has two beautiful children. She is fortunate and blessed to have them and they her. My question is as follows: Considering the fact that she had an abortion when she was 19 years old, should she have been tried and found guilty of first degree murder? If so, should she have received the death penalty? If not, why not? If a murder is a terrible act, how much more awful is it when the victim is a child?

Finally, the notion that God is so vehemently against abortion is interesting to me in that a number of miscarriages occur each year in this country. If God is responsible for every living soul and if abortion is unspeakable, to what should we attribute miscarriages? A miscarriage is, in many ways, an aborted pregnancy. While it is true that a miscarriage is not done by the hands of a mother or the knife of a surgeon, the result is very much the same.

I am not advocating a stance that suggests that abortion on demand is a good thing from a societal or personal standpoint. It can, and does leave emotional scars and there is a fair amount of guilt that some women have reported feeling for many years post-abortion. But if abortion were to be made illegal due to it being murder--then what should the punishment be?

-Drew

..good morning Amazing Grace...anymore words of beauty...on this cold cold day ?...

I posted some stuf this morning now i am just here to cause trouble.

gulp !!...lol...your written words...have such meaning...did you miss your calling ?...or...do you have published works ?...I'll be your agent !...

headin' to the gym...I'll present you with a contract...as your agent...when I get back...lol... ...don't cause too much trouble young lady....

Pro-choice.

This topic has been done to death. Search a little in the politics forum and you'll see it a lot.

i don't think i can be a cut and dry law or process. it should be taken care of on a case by case basis.
i got it! you get pregnant, and want to abort.
pay a fee
go to 'abortion' court.
go through a series of questions or steps
1. was it rape
2. was it consentual
3. is the father around (if so, the courts go after him for some kind of support)
4. if no father, can the woman support the child, if not how can the government help
5. what are the health risks to the woman

if the judge says it's ok then have at it.

issue solved

as I've said in the 37 other abortion threads

imo, every abortion stops a beating heart. By definition that is killing.

BUT sometimes it is neccesary for us to kill

I know how I would choose by wouldn't presume to tell someone else how they must choose

well said robin