1) The sinners prayer doesn't save you, if Abra had ever been a Christian he would know that. Only Jesus can save. Abra will sometimes slip up and talk about how from his earliest days of being a Christian the religion was unbelievable and he had trouble accepting it. Also the number of years he has been a Christian changes from 30 to 40 from time to time. What's 10 years between prevaricators?

2) He still doesn't know, he thinks a magic chant with the right words will cause you to be saved. I think he's confusing Voodoo for Christianity.

Now there's a really "smart" post.

Thanks, I "try".

i wasn't equating the sinners prayer with salvation spidey i was asking if his sect did such and if by chance he had, and it seems i was asking abra this- or do you speak for all people here now? hmmm? should we change the name from the religious forum to spideys forums? i thought you were not goint to put people down anymore spidey, what happened? whats this blah,blah,blah comment? that makes you sound childish why did you do that?

Because I wanted to. What can I say to someone who spouts gibberish and lies all day? I guess I should just be silent, but I didn't feel like it.

EDIT:

Oh yeah, it's an open forum. JB answered a post I made to another user just today. People do that all the time. Didn't you know that on these forums anyone is allowed to post in any thread and reply to any post? Or are you trying to say that I'm not allowed to voice my opinion?

no you have every right to post your opinions, as all others. But less look at what your saying OK?

OPINION

1 a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b: approval , esteem
2 a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b: a generally held view



""opinion implies a conclusion thought out yet open to dispute <each expert seemed to have a different opinion>.""



if we take the implication of what an opinion is as a definition above, I'd say from everything i read of yours that these are not opinions, your beliefs run much stronger than a generally held view, and do not seem to be open to dispute in your mind or case. thus your not giving >by definition< "opinions".


but if we look at some synonyms:

synonyms opinion , view , belief , conviction , persuasion , sentiment mean a judgment one holds as true. opinion implies a conclusion thought out yet open to dispute <each expert seemed to have a different opinion>. view suggests a subjective opinion <very assertive in stating his views>. belief implies often deliberate acceptance and intellectual assent <a firm belief in her party's platform>. conviction applies to a firmly and seriously held belief <the conviction that animal life is as sacred as human>. persuasion suggests a belief grounded on assurance (as by evidence) of its truth <was of the persuasion that everything changes>. sentiment suggests a settled opinion reflective of one's feelings <her feminist sentiments are well-known>.


i would have to say that "convictions" are what you talk of here for the largest part;

"""conviction"""" """applies to a firmly and seriously held belief <the conviction that animal life is as sacred as human>. """

thus your not, in my mind anyway, giving your "opinions" but stating your ""held convictions"" and asserting that others should accept them as "opinions" even though you do not state them in a way one would do if stating an opinion, seldom do i see you end a response with IMO, though you may have- i don't remember at least not when speaking on god, having done so. if I'm incorrect i apologize, but let me go back over what you've posted in the last few days and I'll check to make sure.

I'm sure that your probably familiar with the saying - those who continue to do the same things the same way hoping for different results.......

well thats how i see you with others on here especially abra, you keep trying the same things with him me and others to change minds, and for some reason you continue with the same things over and over and don't seem to realize whats wrong, why no results?

that to me is clouded perception on anyone part.

and i don't know why you continue?

do you really believe you can do what only the HS is supposed to be able to do?

i know you must realize that the most you can do is present[as Paul and the others did by command] the gospel, all else is futile unless you really believe that god told you personally to come here and persuade people beyond the gospel to accept what it is that god may have told you to do? is that the case? if so why would he go against his own words to "go ye forth and preach the good news? and what good news are you spreading here in this argument with Abra and others?

me thinks you may want to think on this for a while spidey.

and this does not just relate to you spidey i see this in deb and morning song and others, so your not alone.

Gibberish?

You claim that I don't understand Christianity.

I say that it's a religion that proclaims that mankind has fallen from the grace of God and that the only way to get back into grace with God is to confess to God that we are responsible for him having to have his Son nailed to a pole for our failures.

I also hold that this religion does not allow any other way to get to this God other than through this very negative scenario.

You say that this is gibberish.

I guess you feel that the whole religion is gibberish then.

You haven't offered an alternative positive way to get to the Christian God yet.

You know that it's a negative religion. The only way to get to this God is to confess that you are responsible for the horrible demise of his Son.

That's the only way to get to the Christain God.

It's a very negative religion.

You can call that gibberish all you want.

It's the Gospel truth.

There's no way to get to the Christian God other than to confess that you are responsible for having his Son butchered on a pole.

And you must believe this on pure faith.

In spite of a myriad of reasons that suggest that it's just manmade dogma for the purpose of controlling the masses using guilt and fear.

In fact to believe this horror story on pure faith a person must also believe:

1. God asked people to stone sinners to death.
2. God asked people to stone unruly children to death.
3. God is male-chuavinistic toward women
4. God asked people to murder heathens, their wives, and children with no mercy.
5. God had to flood the planet and lose the vast majority of souls to Satan (yet God is supposed to be winning the game)
6. God sent his Son to earth via a virgin birth for the express purpose of becomeing a sacrifical lamb.
7. His Son rejected the notion of stoning sinners to death.
8. His son also rejected God's previous teaching that men should seek revenge (an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth) and replaced it with forgiveness (turn the other cheek).
9. God is supposed to be unchanging in character.
10. God is all-wise and yet he uses nothing but stonings and blood sacrifices to solve all his issues.

You must believe all of these thing on pure faith. .

You must also believe that it's pure coincidence that this God just happens to lust for blood sacrifices just like all the manmade superstitious mythologies of the Mediterranean region.

You must believe all this on pure faith just so you can be guilty of forcing God to have his Son butchered to pay for your failings.

Is that a positive religion?

What's positive about it?

I ask a legitimate question.

You call it gibberish.

Clearly you have no reasonable answers.

Abra i'll ask you once again and hopefully you'll be kind enough to reply:


two questions came to my mind as i read the "WHOLE" thing [that was meant for spidey!]

the first was for abra - was wondering if you [when you say you were saved] actually said the sinners prayer [as it called] telling jesus/god that you were sorry for your sins and admitting you were a sinner - now in my ignorence of your particular church/religion that you mention [free methodist], it might be different than with fudies or evangelicals [yes i do see a diff. between the 2] so i don't know for sure how your church may have gone about this - but i would like to know if you'd care to explain that for me or to me? I'm asking if they [your sectarian religion] then - had members come forward or what ever and accept christ and say to him lord i'm a sinner and am sorry for my sins and ask you to forgive me and come into my heart and be my lord and savior. or however your sect might have said it.

2nd - how long were you in it before you knew the basics of salvation and what it intailed? meaning as you state here, all that it reprsents as you now refute as lies. i ask only becuse i wonder why you stayed in it so long if you knew and say what youso obviously say time and time again now - just curiosity on my part.

I agree with Tribo.

We as Christians, are to Present the Gospel ...
in a Spirit of Love....

and then Step Aside....
and Allow
the Holy Spirit to do the Rest .

Anything more is just our "flesh" getting in the way.

Be Blessed Now....Everyone.




Perhaps my work here is done now.

I Love You All........

And I Am Still Believing
With ALL MY HEART....
that
I'm Going To See You ALL HERE ,
in Heaven One Day.

Be VERY Blessed Now.....Each and Every One of You Here.....Always.

I'm going to bed right now, I'll try to get back to you tomorrow Sam.

fair enough its 3 am here to see ya later.