because it HAS affected the election! not for you it semes, but millions of angry black young men are voting for him based on his race, not his views.

again if it doesnt affect you im proud to call you my country men but if it has examine your own motives.

What's wrong with black people voting for a black person?
They've voted for white people forever. And aren't the majority of black people Democrat anyway?

but why the hell would you vote for the single most powerful man on earth based onr ace alone? That makes NO SENSE.

If it's happening, you can link to it. I'm not going to waste my time backing up your baseless claims.



I don't love Obama. I have a lot to criticize about him, but when I compare my views to Obama's views and McCain's views, Obama's views are much closer to mine. I would actually prefer to vote Green, but the issues that are going to be dealt with by the next president are so important that I have to vote for someone who actually has a chance.

And that isn't to say that I dislike Obama, either. There are a lot of great things about him, but he's very imperfect and while I like him loads more than Kerry, I'm not as OMG excited about him as some people are.

It's interesting that instead of replying to my comments, though, you attacked me based on something I never said nor implied. Way to go.

How do you know they are angry? What about me, Im white and Im for Obama. Am I angry too?

African Americans as a demographic tend to vote Democratic anyway. Even if the candidate were white, you would still see more black people voting for Democrats than Republicans. It's probable that more black people who had not voted before are voting now because of Obama, but I don't see that as a bad thing.

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2492


i didnt "attack" you. dont be so naive. im stating that alot of people love oabam caus ehes promises change but doesnt deliver on it. his campaign has been the same as everyone before him sinc ethe beginning, thats not change to me.


youre not angry mirror unless you think the police are out to get you aids and drugs were spread by the govt to keep the black man down,etc.



youre all missing ym point though, im not for or against either of these pukes, theyre both going to continue to run the country into the ground, i just wish wed examine them all more closely.

What is that link supposed to prove? That Rush Limbaugh is a racist ass? Yeah, Colin Powell endorsed Obama. Do you remember why Colin Powell left the Bush administration? ding ding ding...because of the Iraq war. Now, of both the candidates, who wants to get out of Iraq? ding ding ding! Barack Obama.

No, but instead of actually "examining more closely" as you want to do, let's just assume that any black person who endorses Obama is doing so because they're black.




inre: naive: You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means.

And your statement wasn't about "a lot of people" loving Obama, it was about me loving Obama. Rather than addressing my legitimate points, you just said that I loved Obama. Just fess up.

look theres alot of obama love ghoing about thats fine. everyone like shim at least a little, hes charismatic, and yes you are naive if you think race has no inkling of a prt in this election.

Yeah, it would be naive to think that. But I don't think that, and never said I did, so what's your point?

you did see the part where 90-95% of african americans are voting obama right? that was the whole point of the link, and if anything comes from a source you dont like it must eb a lie?



look im not going to get into an argument with you little lady, i dont have the patience and ive been trying to be more civil in the threads.

ever wonder why no one looks into obama? its because hes blakc, face it1 im not racist but i see alot of it in how hes treated, and im going to come on here and express ym opinion. if youre going to sit there and respond with "not its not" to everything thats cool, but its doesnt make you look any more convincing.


also you DID say the election wasnt being adversely affected by the race issue seeings as you said most "blacks" vote dem anyhow, yet theyre going to be voting in record numbers and 95% are voting obama. therefore the race issue is playign a part, no one would admit it but im certain a fair number are voting for him because hes blakc, not becaus eof his stances, or his ideas. its upsetting to me that anyone would be willing to do that.

Mirrormirror thats why you get all the women.............you are way too intelligent and that is damn sexy..................

Yet millions of white people have been voting for white men since this country was founded on so should i call you biased.........................HELL YES...........

no i didnt vote for them BECAUSE they were white. i voted for them based on issues, and until a black runner beomces more ocmmon its oging to be a problem.

It doesn't say what polls. I prefer to look at the actual polls. Let's do that.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/21/african-american-support-obama-84-percent-poll-ind/

84% of African Americans support Obama.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

Now here are some polls from 2004 that show 88% of African Americans supported Kerry. Was Kerry black, too?



If you can't confront my arguments, then go for the sexist patronizing. Nice tactic.



Have you been watching the news? Ayers, ACORN, experience, and all of that stuff? Obama is being criticized all the time.




I didn't say that. I said that black voters usually vote democrat...and they do. There may be more African American voters who are motivated to vote now that they see a racial barrier breaking, but I can't see how that's racism.

I think the race aspect that will affect the election more is the fact that there are a lot of people who won't vote for a black man because he's black.

I'm not. And have you ever thought that they may be voting for their political party?

a.) your arguments are based ont eh opinion of a yougn woman in america in college. aka theyre not based on real life.

b.) i said ntohing sexist, it was either that or swear words and im trying to be nice. ok?

c.)the stuff is exposed but it doesnt deter americans from wondering about obama. mccain ahs ahd far fewer mistakes exposed and talked about but everyone still loves obama.

d.) so you dont think ANY of them are voting JUST because hes black? im sure some people are voting for mccain just cause hes the only white guy. but i dont see mccain leading or even being noticably still in the race,lol.

e.) why am i the bad guy here? im just asking questions and i get branded racist and facist and a pig? WTF?



mirror if that were true about the neocons we wouldnt have a 2 party system in place where the popular vote can be overturned and where politicians are known for lying. obama is probably going ot be just as bad as any other elected official. i hope to god he stays his full term and fixes the govt i really truly do, but after so many years of lies and deceit why should we expect anyhting else when there hasnt even been a show of good faith on obama's part?



in closing i hate both candidates and am protesting this years election to let people know we dont ened to have a 2 party system and the govt is NOT in charge of everything. im all about anyone who would like to organize something with me, thanks for oyur time and patience.

I agree with your last paragraph. I think that if Obama was white, he'd be farther ahead in the polls. It's sad that it's that way. But..the fact that he is ahead in the polls and is black tells a lot about him.

Regarding 1 - She's 21 and you're 23. What's your point?

She sounds very intelligent to me.

LOL! What's real life? I bet you I've lived more real life than you have. You can't come up with an argument against my facts, so you argue based on my identity. Ad hominem.



You belittled me because of my gender (little lady).



So you're changing your argument from "nobody is criticizing him" to "nobody is changing their votes based on the criticisms". Could it be because they don't agree with the criticisms, or don't think they're a big enough deal to make them vote for someone with whom they disagree on everything?



Probably some are. Not enough to sway the vote, though.



Haven't seen anybody call you any of that.