We've been over the issue of the religious right before on these forums.

Here is comes again.

It's amazing to me that there are people who actually beleive the crap this guy is spouting.

Rev. Arnold Conrad, in delivering an invocation at a rally today for John McCain in Davenport, Iowa, apparently didn't get the word from the candidate about elevating the tone at such gatherings.

Conrad, who appeared before the crowd before McCain had arrived, offered a prayer that seemed to urge divine intervention to prevent Barack Obama from winning the presidential election -- and cast the outcome as a referendum on differing religions.

The Times' Maeve Reston was at the event, and she passed along the key passage from Conrad's words:

I would also pray Lord that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their God -- whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah -- that his [McCain’s] opponent wins for a variety of reasons.

And Lord I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you would step forward and honor your own name in all that happens between now and Election Day.

Oh Lord, we just commit this time to you, move among us, make your presence very well felt as we are gathered here today in Jesus's name I pray.

Some in the crowd greeted the prayer with applause.

lol and? youve never prayed for a single selfish thing?


and hes right, because if some hajj prays to allah for obama to win, and he does, then its gonna solidify that man's ideas in his god, blah blah blah. whatever. lol


face it, every one prays for tons of crap. praying for a president ive done myself a few times,lol.

This individual attended what seminary? Obviously he did not have a class in Comparative Religions.

God needs to protect God's reputation. OMG the theological holes make the prayer look like strainer. My Theology professors and Church History professors would have a blast with that prayer.

I'll try to communicate this in a way that's simple and understandable.

On a personal note...I beleive praying for any sort of personal gain is a sin.(Sin might not be the right word but it works for now)

Have I prayed during my life about personal issues? Yes...but when I was right minded I apologized for it.

When I was very young I decided, for myself, the only thing I would ever ask God for was to watch over those I loved. How God does that is up to God or the Gods. I wouldn't presume to know all or to speak for any God.

Anyone who prays and publicly states that theirs is the one true way makes me uneasy. It's the sort of thing that leads to violence, intolerance and bigotry.

You wanted to know if I ever prayed for something? I want to know about you too.

Have you ever thought about...really thought about the idea that there might be multiple gods? Or have you ever thought that all people who pray pray to the same god? Perhaps she only reveals herself to people in ways that they can understand given their surroundings? Have you ever thought that Confucius, Buddha, Christ, Mohammad and the Dalai Lama among others might all be messengers of God or the Gods?

If I have ever prayed for the future it's for all our futures not for one chosen group.

I seen that on tv it was hilarious. That guy was a friggin moron

madame Lynann, Tu es pour moi la plus belle

Look at it this way...

The prayer will have no power...

He was praying to a god in his mind...

That which IS God would rightly have this all figured out...

Though it may be of overwhelming importance to those of us living it...

In the line of life that is humanity... It is but a footnote on the path to glory.

And will have about as much effect on the end as it would if you put your finger in a bucket of water and pulled it out... A few ripples which would fade over time till once again the water would be smooth as glass.

I wonder sometimes why we fret so over nothing.

praing just gives me a headache,lol. its fine for some, but theres too much hatred anymore. as for me i think if there is a god HE is only one and everyone prays to him as different things.

"Let us reflect that, having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions. Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question."
— Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address