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Ahhh, to repent. Did my repenting last week on Yom Kippur. All clear for the year now. The Book of Life is closed and my fate is sealed. L'Shana Tovah!  M
not being jewish just how does that work? you say your good to go till next yom kippur? does that mean if you sin sometime next week your forgiven in advance? interested -
Sounds alright to me. 
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Edited by
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See... This is the kind of dialogue I would wish to share. You, TLW, are convinced in the truth in your OWN life. I completely honor that. Your approach leaves a door open for sharing instead of arguing. I'm clear that someone with a fundmentalistic approach WOULD see a creature with ideas such as mine as evil. That's not an issue for me. I don't feel the need to prove I'm any less evil than any other human being. My desire for equality doesn't insist on proving any one belief as faulty. This desire does, however, take the focus off of the good/evil see-saw. Guess that looks evil to those highly invested in the war against evil. Just as the "War Against Terror" creates MORE terror, so does the war against evil create more "evil". Fine, if everyone chalks my ramblings off as some loopy hippy chick's fanciful notions of humanity living in peace. Don't care... This is what I see as within the realm of possibily. Not everyone in the world is fundamentalist. They just seem to bark the loudest. Basically, I apply the concepts of good and evil to myself. As I said in my first response people can believe in flying pigs as far as I'm concern. I would state what I believe, I would hear or read what other people believe. But I won't be moved by what they believe. Sometimes it may be funny for me, but ofcourse due to respect for this person I won't express my amusement. My biggest believe and this is what the Catholic Church teaches we ALL are God's creatures, so all of us God's children regardless where we stand in life. A whole different approach from the fundamentalisitc believe. This believe I have leads me to a nonjudgmental behavior. That is why I'm not longer in this forum because the common denominator here is attack each other no matter what. If we could somehow find a way to apply the ideas of Ecumenism... ...perhaps that may help diminish this desire to attack each other for our differences. ecumenism is a wonderful word. The Holy Father John Paul II was the greatest ecumenist of the 20th century. However, ecumenism only works when personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good of the multitudes. The problem is that the human race is cursed with egoism in all side christian and non-christian, catholic and non-catholic. If we follow the basic teaching of my Lord Jesus Christ (love each other as you love yourselves) we would not have all these problems. Which leads me to think if we are not able to love others, are we able to love ourselves? |
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 Out of Darkness will come Light.
 The One will be revealed.
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Out of Darkness will come Light.
The One will be revealed.
there is only ONE. Without light there is no darkness, no shadow, for there is nothing to create contrast. Without contrast there is no learning or knowledge. with out light one cannot see the pitfalls, without pitfalls one does not need the light. |
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See... This is the kind of dialogue I would wish to share. You, TLW, are convinced in the truth in your OWN life. I completely honor that. Your approach leaves a door open for sharing instead of arguing. I'm clear that someone with a fundmentalistic approach WOULD see a creature with ideas such as mine as evil. That's not an issue for me. I don't feel the need to prove I'm any less evil than any other human being. My desire for equality doesn't insist on proving any one belief as faulty. This desire does, however, take the focus off of the good/evil see-saw. Guess that looks evil to those highly invested in the war against evil. Just as the "War Against Terror" creates MORE terror, so does the war against evil create more "evil". Fine, if everyone chalks my ramblings off as some loopy hippy chick's fanciful notions of humanity living in peace. Don't care... This is what I see as within the realm of possibily. Not everyone in the world is fundamentalist. They just seem to bark the loudest. Basically, I apply the concepts of good and evil to myself. As I said in my first response people can believe in flying pigs as far as I'm concern. I would state what I believe, I would hear or read what other people believe. But I won't be moved by what they believe. Sometimes it may be funny for me, but ofcourse due to respect for this person I won't express my amusement. My biggest believe and this is what the Catholic Church teaches we ALL are God's creatures, so all of us God's children regardless where we stand in life. A whole different approach from the fundamentalisitc believe. This believe I have leads me to a nonjudgmental behavior. That is why I'm not longer in this forum because the common denominator here is attack each other no matter what. If we could somehow find a way to apply the ideas of Ecumenism... ...perhaps that may help diminish this desire to attack each other for our differences. ecumenism is a wonderful word. The Holy Father John Paul II was the greatest ecumenist of the 20th century. However, ecumenism only works when personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good of the multitudes. The problem is that the human race is cursed with egoism in all side christian and non-christian, catholic and non-catholic. If we follow the basic teaching of my Lord Jesus Christ (love each other as you love yourselves) we would not have all these problems. Which leads me to think if we are not able to love others, are we able to love ourselves? good points Miguel |
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Out of Darkness will come Light.
The One will be revealed.
there is only ONE. Without light there is no darkness, no shadow, for there is nothing to create contrast. Without contrast there is no learning or knowledge. with out light one cannot see the pitfalls, without pitfalls one does not need the light. Yes... Without contrast, we're static. All life / matter requires a balance of opposites. Why should man be the exception? From the moment we're born, we learn by comparing and contrasting every thing to everything else. |
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TLW:
personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good... See... I believe this is completely within the realm of possibility. |
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TLW: personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good... See... I believe this is completely within the realm of possibility. You are very possitive person. That is a good thing. If we had more people like you in this world. It would be more a livable place. |
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TLW: personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good... See... I believe this is completely within the realm of possibility. You are very possitive person. That is a good thing. If we had more people like you in this world. It would be more a livable place. If I couldn't see this as possible, I'd just have to give up. Why bother... Mankind will probably have to truly be brought to it's knees to set all self-serving aside to reach a common good. Standing by for spontaneous shift in consciousness... |
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TLW: personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good... See... I believe this is completely within the realm of possibility. You are very possitive person. That is a good thing. If we had more people like you in this world. It would be more a livable place. If I couldn't see this as possible, I'd just have to give up. Why bother... Mankind will probably have to truly be brought to it's knees to set all self-serving aside to reach a common good. Standing by for spontaneous shift in consciousness... agreed |
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TLW: I just want to point out that "the common good" must, by definition, encompass "the personal good" for all the people involved. So you can't really "set aside personal agenda" because "common good" is the collective "personal agendas".
personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good... See... I believe this is completely within the realm of possibility. |
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Edited by
tribo
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TLW: I just want to point out that "the common good" must, by definition, encompass "the personal good" for all the people involved. So you can't really "set aside personal agenda" because "common good" is the collective "personal agendas".
personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good... See... I believe this is completely within the realm of possibility.yes but to what degree? the first peoples [native Americans] were brought up to give freely to anyone in need, to take care of those who could not, to take in strangers and orphans and raise them up in love, it was a pure form of communism in the best sense of the word - all for one and one for all - it's a mind set Sky, and it can be done and has been done - now this didn't mean they did not war with other tribes or nations, but it was never their desire to do so - only to protect what was Good for them in the sense of family. i don't think you can ever get that basic survival issue out of man no matter what, but outside of this it was a loving sharing community of man. I'd be willing to get back to that point again as a human, how bout you? 3) When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy |
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TLW: I just want to point out that "the common good" must, by definition, encompass "the personal good" for all the people involved. So you can't really "set aside personal agenda" because "common good" is the collective "personal agendas".
personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good... See... I believe this is completely within the realm of possibility.Perhaps I should have pointed out what TLW said here: The problem is that the human race is cursed with egoism [ When one's ego is at the helm, all one can see through is their personal agenda. True... we cannot erase personal agenda... All for one and one for all leaves no one out. Its when no one can see past personal agenda to the rest of the human race that the common good gets lost. |
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The Christian solution to this phenomenon is to hand it over to God and recognize that Jesus Christ who died, absolves us for all our sins. Died and resurrected. If Jesus would not have resurrected our sins would still be there. Resurrection is what brings salvation. My Lord's dead was just a step in the divine plan for salvation. However, His resurrection was the climax through which we are saved. What (reasonably) causes you to accept that premise? |
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The Christian solution to this phenomenon is to hand it over to God and recognize that Jesus Christ who died, absolves us for all our sins. Died and resurrected. If Jesus would not have resurrected our sins would still be there. Resurrection is what brings salvation. My Lord's dead was just a step in the divine plan for salvation. However, His resurrection was the climax through which we are saved. What (reasonably) causes you to accept that premise? probably has a sexual ressurection fetish. or is that res-erection hmmm? |
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The Christian solution to this phenomenon is to hand it over to God and recognize that Jesus Christ who died, absolves us for all our sins. Died and resurrected. If Jesus would not have resurrected our sins would still be there. Resurrection is what brings salvation. My Lord's dead was just a step in the divine plan for salvation. However, His resurrection was the climax through which we are saved. What (reasonably) causes you to accept that premise? probably has a sexual ressurection fetish. or is that res-erection hmmm? tisk, tisk! |
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The Christian solution to this phenomenon is to hand it over to God and recognize that Jesus Christ who died, absolves us for all our sins. Died and resurrected. If Jesus would not have resurrected our sins would still be there. Resurrection is what brings salvation. My Lord's dead was just a step in the divine plan for salvation. However, His resurrection was the climax through which we are saved. What (reasonably) causes you to accept that premise? probably has a sexual ressurection fetish. or is that res-erection hmmm? tisk, tisk! 
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The Christian solution to this phenomenon is to hand it over to God and recognize that Jesus Christ who died, absolves us for all our sins. Died and resurrected. If Jesus would not have resurrected our sins would still be there. Resurrection is what brings salvation. My Lord's dead was just a step in the divine plan for salvation. However, His resurrection was the climax through which we are saved. What (reasonably) causes you to accept that premise? probably has a sexual ressurection fetish. or is that res-erection hmmm? tisk, tisk!
Repent! 
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The Christian solution to this phenomenon is to hand it over to God and recognize that Jesus Christ who died, absolves us for all our sins. Died and resurrected. If Jesus would not have resurrected our sins would still be there. Resurrection is what brings salvation. My Lord's dead was just a step in the divine plan for salvation. However, His resurrection was the climax through which we are saved. What (reasonably) causes you to accept that premise? probably has a sexual ressurection fetish. or is that res-erection hmmm? tisk, tisk!
Repent!
I haven't even "pented" yet - how can i RE-pent |
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TLW: I just want to point out that "the common good" must, by definition, encompass "the personal good" for all the people involved. So you can't really "set aside personal agenda" because "common good" is the collective "personal agendas".personal agendas are set aside in order to try to reach the common good... See... I believe this is completely within the realm of possibility.The problem is that the human race is cursed with egoism[ When one's ego is at the helm, all one can see through is their personal agenda.
True... we cannot erase personal agenda... All for one and one for all leaves no one out. Its when no one can see past personal agenda to the rest of the human race that the common good gets lost.
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