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I'm just trying to get at the truth. Are you interested in truth? When I was a child Isaac Newton was my hero. I was very much interested in math and science. However, I was never told of Isaac Newton's study into the Bible. Now there's a man who did read the Bible in great detail. In fact, I once hear that he own over 200 copies of the Bible! I don't know if there is truth to that or not, but most scholars do tend to agree that Isaac Netwon actually invested more time studying the Bible than he did in his studies of physics and math! His conclusion was that Jesus was not divine! I had no clue of this until much later in my life, only after I had already come to the very same conclusion on my own. I'm am relieved to hear that such a great and brilliant man came to the very same conclusion. And Isaac Newton didn't start out as as a skeptic to disprove the religion. On the contrary, he started out just like me with a desire to KNOW God! So I'm not alone in my history with the Bible. I'm in great company. 
And I'll never understand why people are so bent on defending the Biblical picture based on pure faith. Why is it that they are so hungry to believe that they have fallen from grace from their creator to the point where he had to have his son butchered on a pole to save their butts? I would never choose to believe such a gruesome story on faith alone, must less defend it purely on that basis. I'm truly beginning to believe that the Jews are the ones who crucified Jesus (probably for blaspheme) since he denied so many things that had been established in the Old Testament. Then later these stories were written to point the finger at the Romans, and then use the crucifixion to bolster their original Old Testament. This I believe. We've all been had by unscrupulous manipulators, who used not only us, but Jesus as well! |
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Byebye
Ya'll come back now ya hear. |
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Anybody can talk their way out of believing in the bible, I do it all the time. I have asked most if not all the questions, Abracadabra and Krimsa have proposed over and over, these questions are nothing new to me. I struggle with this stuff daily. But calling someone elses God Lame? I would never consider that...at least not on a public forum. To me that is kinda lame.
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bye!
Thats a very mature response........... |
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Dont expect anything more from him! Im not sure why anyone bothers to argue with that fella, he nevercomes back with anything interesting.
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All he likes doing is trying to be the last person to post on as many threads as he can. Its like a 4 year old playing a game.
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Fri 10/10/08 11:48 AM
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But calling someone elses God Lame? I would never consider that...at least not on a public forum. To me that is kinda lame.
I don't view it like that at all. If we have a creator, then that creator is the creator of all of us. There is no such thing as 'your god' and 'my god'. We were either created by a supreme being, or we weren't. And we all have a right, even an obligation, to voice our opinions on what we think that creator might be like. Christians have no problem publicly telling me that I'm 'not pure of heart' simply because I don't believe in the Bible. Well, hey, as long as they can claim that I'm not pure of heart for not believing in a story, then I should have every right to publicly explain why I don't believe it. One of the most powerful reasons why I don't believe it is because it's lame. Period. That's my truth! Any God who would do the things in the Bible, is IMHO exteremly lame. There is nothing all-wise or all-intelligent about that picture of God. It's a picture of an extremely inept God who blunders his way through everything. At one point he has to drown out his own creation. What a failure! A God who had to destroy his OWN creation because it was such a mess? 
He solves all his problems with violence and via requests for blood sacrifices carried out in his name. When that doesn't work he sends his 'only begotten son' (how quaint) to come to earth and have men nail him to a pole to so that he can forgive men of their sins? I make absolutely no apologies whatsoever for publicly denouncing this story as being totally absurd, and far from WISE! If Christians can publicly proclaim that I'm not pure of heart because I don't buy it, then surely I have the right to tell them that the story is utterly insane and does not represent an all-wise supreme being in the least. It's clearly a story that was created by supersitious male-chauvanistic men who were tyring to use a concept of God to strike fear in the hearts of the masses. And boy have they succeeded! No, I don't beleive that the creator of this unvierse is that lame. And I make absolutely no apologies at all for saying so. People claim to be 'offended' when people speak out against the bible. Well, hells bells, the whole biblical picture is extremely offensive to any truly wise supreme being. It's a picture of a truly inept diety. It's seriously flawed. And that's the truth. |
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And now you can wait until he calls it B.S.
Like the s..t he is writing smells of roses 
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Abracadabra, I understand what your trying to get at. All I am saying is I dont think we should be that harsh on peoples religions. Imagine if I started going on and on about how I think Allah is an inept God and a retard, that would piss a lot of people off. Probably not too many on here, but basically all of the middle east if they heard that. But I would never say such things because I don't care what or who people worship, if anything at all.
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Abracadabra, I understand what your trying to get at. All I am saying is I dont think we should be that harsh on peoples religions. Imagine if I started going on and on about how I think Allah is an inept God and a retard, that would piss a lot of people off. Probably not too many on here, but basically all of the middle east if they heard that. But I would never say such things because I don't care what or who people worship, if anything at all. No offense Adama, but then what do we do about jesus' attack on his own peoples religion? he called them alot of names and said they were of the devil their father not from god? ow would that fair here i wonder if you want to get technical about it? would you say to him the same as you do to abra? - just wondering. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Fri 10/10/08 05:26 PM
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I get told I am going to hell on average about 7-8 times a day.I have received hate mail and death threats. I have been called a Witch, a whore, viper, swine...the list goes on. I dont care. It makes no difference. I still have the right to ask questions. Its a free electronic relay interface open to users worldwide. If anyone is upset by this, then perhaps one of the many other forums would be better suited to their sensibilities.
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The Bible is a picture of God created by humans who lived in the Mediterranean area. This picture of God is strikingly similar to all the other mythologies of the region including Greek mythology. They all asked for blood sacrifices as appeasements for various reasons. The Biblical picture of God is no exception. In fact, the Biblical picture of God is founded on the idea of blood sacrifices to pay for sins, this is the very basis of the sacrificial lamb of God in Jesus Christ. Now the Bible claims that God is all-wise, and unchanging. But then it goes on to tell stories that don't support these premises. Some people claim that there is a devil named Satan who is competing for the souls that God creates. It has been said that Satan has a bet with God that he can turn all mankind against God. But wait! Didn't Satan already basically win that bet at the great flood? God seems to have cheated Satan out of his victory by flushing away all the souls that Satan won and starting the game anew with just a handful of righteous people. God was clearly the loser in that first round. God lost all those souls that he had created. So what happens next? Satan seems to once again get the upper hand in the game turning people against God supposedly. So God once again has to take action. This time he tries a new approach and sends his only begotten son to die for the sins of man. Evidently that didn't work either since sin seems to still be with us in the world even today, over 2000 years later! The Bible even claims that Jesus said that very few will make it to heaven. Well, if that's true then the bulk of humanity is hell-bound. What does this say about God? This says that God is a big time loser! He loses the vast majority of souls that he creates! The Bible clearly depicts God as being an big time loser, by its own proclamations! Jesus said that only few will make it into heaven. That means that the vast majority will be lost. The Biblical picture of God is a picture of a God who loses much more than it wins. Why would anyone want to worship a God that is a proven loser by the very book that claims to be his word? Also, what does this say about the Biblical God's ability to create souls? If the vast major of souls that he creates are lost to Satan, then God isn't creating very good souls. Maybe he should go back to the drawing board and wait until he has a better design? This story is any more credible that the stories of Zeus, Apollo, and all the other ancient Mediterranean Gods. It was written by men. It was clearly not written by any all-wise supreme being capable of creating this entire universe. The god depicted in the Bible is thoroughly inept. As humans we would be nothing more than the victims of a totally inept creator! The Bible even claims that we can't become righteous on our own power! Well duh? If that's true it can only be because we weren't given the proper attributes at the onset by our creator. Clearly not our fault. The Bible holds us hostage as victims to a completely inept God, and then tries to make us feel guilty about it. It's the ultimate guilt trip. But it's such a farce. Even if the story was true we wouldn't be guilty of anything other than having been created by a completely inept God! Why are so many people so bent on keeping this stupid myth alive? It's clearly the heinous work of men. We need to get past this absurdity and move on to something more positive. the Abrahamic god does not have to be considered in this way unless you take a literal interpretation of the bible or quran which is wholly unnecessary and limiting there is nothing to prevent the Abrahamic god from being considered to be equivalent to a pantheistic interpretation of god - they may be considered the same - as long as one does not insist on a literal view of these early theological writings. the notion of sacrifice may be considered to be allegorical. it is much more interesting and appropriate to treat the bible and quran as metaphorical. then "scary stories" can be used to teach a moral lesson or serve to spark debate. sort of like the fables "the boy who cried wolf" or more gruesome "hansel and gretel" the value of the lessons do not lie in a literal interpretation of the wolf or the witch. so - what's the big deal?
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I get told I am going to hell on average about 7-8 times a day.I have received hate mail and death threats. I have been called a Witch, a whore, viper, swine...the list goes on. I dont care. It makes no difference. I still have the right to ask questions. Its a free electronic relay interface open to users worldwide. If anyone is upset by this, then perhaps one of the many other forums would be better suited to their sensibilities. I'll try to cut my email and name calling back a bit K, some times i just cant help myself - the devil made me do it!! 
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Tribo is the "stealer of children's souls"
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Tribo is the "stealer of children's souls"
prve it - 
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I get told I am going to hell on average about 7-8 times a day.I have received hate mail and death threats. I have been called a Witch, a whore, viper, swine...the list goes on. I dont care. It makes no difference. I still have the right to ask questions. Its a free electronic relay interface open to users worldwide. If anyone is upset by this, then perhaps one of the many other forums would be better suited to their sensibilities. Come on! thats gotta bug you a bit? Even a little bit? Or do you like it? I don't condone sending any type of hate mail or calling anyone any names at all. That upsets me even hearing you say there are people out there doing that type of crap. Are you referring to so called Christians doing this? If so, they are not doing there religion any justice. If people feel they need to spread their views thats fine, but that definitely is counterproductive way of doing things. |
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Abracadabra, I understand what your trying to get at. All I am saying is I dont think we should be that harsh on peoples religions. Imagine if I started going on and on about how I think Allah is an inept God and a retard, that would piss a lot of people off. Probably not too many on here, but basically all of the middle east if they heard that. But I would never say such things because I don't care what or who people worship, if anything at all. No offense Adama, but then what do we do about jesus' attack on his own peoples religion? he called them alot of names and said they were of the devil their father not from god? ow would that fair here i wonder if you want to get technical about it? would you say to him the same as you do to abra? - just wondering. The way I look at this, is if Jesus is who he says he is, I don't have a problem with it. Because then he would be in a position of authority I would think. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Fri 10/10/08 06:46 PM
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Abracadabra, I understand what your trying to get at. All I am saying is I dont think we should be that harsh on peoples religions. Imagine if I started going on and on about how I think Allah is an inept God and a retard, that would piss a lot of people off. Probably not too many on here, but basically all of the middle east if they heard that. But I would never say such things because I don't care what or who people worship, if anything at all. No offense Adama, but then what do we do about jesus' attack on his own peoples religion? he called them alot of names and said they were of the devil their father not from god? ow would that fair here i wonder if you want to get technical about it? would you say to him the same as you do to abra? - just wondering. The way I look at this, is if Jesus is who he says he is, I don't have a problem with it. Because then he would be in a position of authority I would think. Yeah but you have no way of knowing and neither did the Hebrews back then. They probably crucified him themselves for being such an ass. All you have is a contradictory text written around 2500 years ago and and then translated. Jesus might have never existed. Some people feel that is very likely. Or if he did exist, maybe he was nuts. Maybe he wanted a lot of attention. Maybe he did believe he was the son of god. He might have just been a man and a gifted public speaker. Abra is a man and a good public speaker also. So stop all this whining will ya.
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I get told I am going to hell on average about 7-8 times a day.I have received hate mail and death threats. I have been called a Witch, a whore, viper, swine...the list goes on. I dont care. It makes no difference. I still have the right to ask questions. Its a free electronic relay interface open to users worldwide. If anyone is upset by this, then perhaps one of the many other forums would be better suited to their sensibilities. Come on! thats gotta bug you a bit? Even a little bit? Or do you like it? I don't condone sending any type of hate mail or calling anyone any names at all. That upsets me even hearing you say there are people out there doing that type of crap. Are you referring to so called Christians doing this? If so, they are not doing there religion any justice. If people feel they need to spread their views thats fine, but that definitely is counterproductive way of doing things. I'll try to find early post where christians called me a nazi demon from hell, a heritic, a stealer of childrens souls, and a continous reference of being a troll. and yes it was some christians who called her a witch. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Fri 10/10/08 06:48 PM
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S1owhand slowly posted the following:
the Abrahamic god does not have to be considered in this way unless you take a literal interpretation of the bible or quran which is wholly unnecessary and limiting there is nothing to prevent the Abrahamic god from being considered to be equivalent to a pantheistic interpretation of god - they may be considered the same - as long as one does not insist on a literal view of these early theological writings. the notion of sacrifice may be considered to be allegorical. it is much more interesting and appropriate to treat the bible and quran as metaphorical. then "scary stories" can be used to teach a moral lesson or serve to spark debate. sort of like the fables "the boy who cried wolf" or more gruesome "hansel and gretel" the value of the lessons do not lie in a literal interpretation of the wolf or the witch. so - what's the big deal?
Sure, I have no problem with the Bible being taken allegorically. But let's face it, this is not the way the bulk of Christians teach it. Not only that, but how many "Christians" are going to accept that the virgin birth of Jesus, and his ressurection are mere allegories? I think it's pretty hard to accept the Bible as allegories and try to claim that Jesus was actually the divine son of God sent via a virgin birth to pay for our sins. It's pretty much an 'all or nothing' religion isn't it? If you take the whole thing as an allegory, then you'd have to fit the story of Jesus in as an allegory too. That would imply that Jesus never even really lived but rather the whole story is just an allegory. I think from a personal religious point of view individuals could get value from that. In fact, I would love to see a new religion created where people basically tossed out the Old Testament as a total fraud. Then took just the moral teachings of Jesus, and the moral teachings of Buddha and create a whole new religion just based on the moral teachings of these men. Then they could have a standard of morals that isn't attached to jusitifcations for bigotry. If Christians actually followed the teachings of Christ instead of contantly using the Old Testament to club people over the head with it might not be a bad religion. Also Jesus told people not to Judge others, yet almost EVERY Christian will Judge anyone who doesn't view Jesus as God, as being "unsaved" or even impure of heart! Well, damn! There's a really HUGE judgement right there! What a bunch of hypocrites! The very first thing any follow of Christ should do is learn not to judge others on any level, and that INCLUDES whether or not they believe that Jesus was God! |
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