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Topic: For my progresive friends and Ron Paul fans
bergeia's photo
Wed 10/08/08 02:48 PM
hmmmmm maybe i will run for local office. vote bergey in 2024 if the country is still in one piece,lol.

madisonman's photo
Sat 10/11/08 06:40 PM

hmmmmm maybe i will run for local office. vote bergey in 2024 if the country is still in one piece,lol.
Rumor has it Alaska is to be sold back to Russia to help finance the debt created by the neocons.

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Sat 10/11/08 06:59 PM
LOL I hope Sarah Palin is part of the deal.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sat 10/11/08 11:27 PM


hmmmmm maybe i will run for local office. vote bergey in 2024 if the country is still in one piece,lol.
Rumor has it Alaska is to be sold back to Russia to help finance the debt created by the neocons.


Why not, they are already selling property and highways to China for money... Just downright sickens me. Washington can't keep their spending in check. Hell even the Lib runner is talking about spending more money without any cutbacks. We are all screwed....

warmachine's photo
Sun 10/12/08 02:33 AM
Key word is screwed...

warmachine's photo
Sun 10/12/08 02:35 AM
Since this topic has the Good Doctor's name in the heading, how about this!

During an appearance on CNN’s The Situation Room, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, said Montana is “one of the only states in the country Ron Paul will be on the ballot as the Constitution candidate,” and “if you travel across Western Montana, you’ll actually see more Ron Paul signs than you do John McCain. … If you include Paul in the polling, he gets somewhere between five and eight percent. And then Obama and McCain are tied around five.” Schweitzer said, “Ron Paul is going to be the decider here.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgt6egzgBIg

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 10/12/08 08:03 AM
Nice! I wish he was on the ballot here... I still see Ron Paul signs along the roadside though.

madisonman's photo
Sun 10/12/08 08:18 AM
Its funny I think Nader or Ron Paul would be better candidates for our current crisis and not these status que politicians. That being said Obama is the better choice of what we have.

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/13/08 02:51 PM
ugh i hate the whole "best choice we got" thing. wish it was a truly open election where anyone could run, then wed have a shot at an actual american running,lol.

madisonman's photo
Mon 10/13/08 02:59 PM

ugh i hate the whole "best choice we got" thing. wish it was a truly open election where anyone could run, then wed have a shot at an actual american running,lol.
as long as the corperations can fund the candidates we will have these crappy choices what is needed is finance reform. These elections are a fraud they both are the big business candidates a choice between coke and pepsi, though I do know the dems support the environment and worker saftey and civil rights far more than the republicans so that is how I vote untill we can some meaningfull change.

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/13/08 03:09 PM
still. ugh oh well, we need one guy to fake his way to the top. "sure thing big biz, i got yer back"



then WHAM outta nowhere its an economic boom like after ww2. argh we need smart people in the white house,lol.

madisonman's photo
Mon 10/13/08 08:41 PM

still. ugh oh well, we need one guy to fake his way to the top. "sure thing big biz, i got yer back"



then WHAM outta nowhere its an economic boom like after ww2. argh we need smart people in the white house,lol.
They would probably have him shot if our imaginary hero could ever get tht far

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/13/08 08:43 PM
yeah kennedy ftw. poor SOB. hmmmm im thinking we take over, then put a system in place that harwires a bomb to the next president, thena merica votes once a week on how hes performing. and if its not good enough........

madisonman's photo
Mon 10/13/08 08:56 PM

yeah kennedy ftw. poor SOB. hmmmm im thinking we take over, then put a system in place that harwires a bomb to the next president, thena merica votes once a week on how hes performing. and if its not good enough........
sounds like a great plot for a book

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/13/08 08:57 PM
lol. id write it. lol. meh it dont matter. america wont pull its head out of its 2 party obsessed ass long enough to read,lol.

madisonman's photo
Mon 10/13/08 09:09 PM

ugh i hate the whole "best choice we got" thing. wish it was a truly open election where anyone could run, then wed have a shot at an actual american running,lol.
SPIEGEL: So for you, Republicans and Democrats represent just slight variations of the same political platform?

Chomsky: Of course there are differences, but they are not fundamental. Nobody should have any illusions. The United States has essentially a one-party system and the ruling party is the business party.

SPIEGEL: You exaggerate. In almost all vital questions -- from the taxation of the rich to nuclear energy -- there are different positions. At least on the issues of war and peace, the parties differ considerably. The Republicans want to fight in Iraq until victory, even if that takes a 100 years, according to McCain. The Democrats demand a withdrawal plan.

Chomsky: Let us look at the “differences” more closely, and we recognize how limited and cynical they are. The hawks say, if we continue we can win. The doves say, it is costing us too much. But try to find an American politician who says frankly that this aggression is a crime: the issue is not whether we win or not, whether it is expensive or not. Remember the Russian invasion of Afghanistan? Did we have a debate whether the Russians can win the war or whether it is too expensive? This may have been the debate at the Kremlin, or in Pravda. But this is the kind of debate you would expect in a totalitarian society. If General Petraeus could achieve in Iraq what Putin achieved in Chechnya, he would be crowned king. The key question here is whether we apply the same standards to ourselves that we apply to others.

SPIEGEL: Who prevents intellectuals from asking and critically answering these questions? You praised the freedom of speech in the United States.

Chomsky: The intellectual world is deeply conformist. Hans Morgenthau, who was a founder of realist international relations theory, once condemned what he called “the conformist subservience to power” on the part of the intellectuals. George Orwell wrote that nationalists, who are practically the whole intellectual class of a country, not only do not disapprove of the crimes of their own state, but have the remarkable capacity not even to see them. That is correct. We talk a lot about the crimes of others. When it comes to our own crimes, we are nationalists in the Orwellian sense.

SPIEGEL: Was there not, and is there not -- in the United States and worldwide -- loud protest against the Iraq war?

Chomsky: The protest against the war in Iraq is far higher than against the war in Vietnam. When there were 4,000 American deaths in Vietnam and 150,000 troops deployed, nobody cared. When Kennedy invaded Vietnam in 1962, there was just a yawn.

SPIEGEL: To conclude, perhaps you can offer a conciliatory word about the state of the nation?

Chomsky: The American society has become more civilized, largely as a result of the activism of the 1960s. Our society, and also Europe's, became freer, more open, more democratic, and for many quite scary. This generation was condemned for that. But it had an effect.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20999.htm

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/13/08 09:14 PM
quite scary and quite damaging to boot. oh well though. its sad to say it but our smartest people cant even process what is going half the time cause it doesnt affect them i dont think,lol.


i agree though, its not so much a 2 party system anymore, and its certainly not a land where you can come and be anyhting you want to be, not anymore.

madisonman's photo
Mon 10/13/08 09:27 PM

quite scary and quite damaging to boot. oh well though. its sad to say it but our smartest people cant even process what is going half the time cause it doesnt affect them i dont think,lol.


i agree though, its not so much a 2 party system anymore, and its certainly not a land where you can come and be anyhting you want to be, not anymore.
Look up Noam Chomsky and check out some of his writeings you might like him, he is a bit liberal but he gives honest assessments

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/13/08 09:39 PM
i will look him up, but i find honesty in short supply these days,lol.

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